@Outdoctrination: STOP focusing on DHT & finaste...
@Outdoctrination
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Mar 15, 2025
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First off, I would like to say that:
I am NOT
1. bald or have ever been
2. claiming DHT is irrelevant
I AM
1. Claiming we should not FOCUS on lowering testosterone or DHT, and that androgens nor genetics are the TRUE ROOT CAUSE of MPB.
2. Claiming DHT is necessary for male pattern baldness, BUT NOT SUFFICIENT.
To give the androgen - genetic model its credit:
1. There is strong heritability of baldness
2. DHT is higher in balding scalp
3. Stopping DHT can help regrow hair
4. DHT can shrink hair follicles through the androgen receptor
5. Genetic variations in the androgen receptor can drive it
6. People with no androgens are immune from baldness
Seems like an open and shut case, but let's get into why blaming androgens is actually silly.
I am NOT
1. bald or have ever been
2. claiming DHT is irrelevant
I AM
1. Claiming we should not FOCUS on lowering testosterone or DHT, and that androgens nor genetics are the TRUE ROOT CAUSE of MPB.
2. Claiming DHT is necessary for male pattern baldness, BUT NOT SUFFICIENT.
To give the androgen - genetic model its credit:
1. There is strong heritability of baldness
2. DHT is higher in balding scalp
3. Stopping DHT can help regrow hair
4. DHT can shrink hair follicles through the androgen receptor
5. Genetic variations in the androgen receptor can drive it
6. People with no androgens are immune from baldness
Seems like an open and shut case, but let's get into why blaming androgens is actually silly.
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Hair loss is also mainly an issue of civilization.
In 1899, Dr J. Blaine stated…
“The bald head can only be found among enlightened nations, and it must therefore be caused by following the arts and customs of civilisation … Trace the genealogy of a bald head back through a few centuries and it will be found that the progenitors of our race had hair in abundance”
Hard to argue genetics, then.
In 1899, Dr J. Blaine stated…
“The bald head can only be found among enlightened nations, and it must therefore be caused by following the arts and customs of civilisation … Trace the genealogy of a bald head back through a few centuries and it will be found that the progenitors of our race had hair in abundance”
Hard to argue genetics, then.
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I've written more about histamine and what drives its release here, as a systemic inflammatory mediator:
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I've also written about how nitric oxide is an anti-metabolic, inflammatory mediator here (and what drives its elevation):
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Oxidative stress is also higher in people with male pattern baldness.
Oxidative stress comes from, and drives, inflammation.
Oxidative stress is also driven by:
➡ Excess seed oil consumption
➡ Heavy metals, excess iron or copper
➡ Any issue with energy metabolism
➡ Deficiencies of B1, B2, B3, B6, iron, copper, zinc, selenium and glycine.
Oxidative stress comes from, and drives, inflammation.
Oxidative stress is also driven by:
➡ Excess seed oil consumption
➡ Heavy metals, excess iron or copper
➡ Any issue with energy metabolism
➡ Deficiencies of B1, B2, B3, B6, iron, copper, zinc, selenium and glycine.
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There are also numerous therapies for male pattern baldness that work without targeting DHT.
All of these work by increasing metabolism, lowering inflammation or DHT's propensity to increasing inflammation, or reducing oxidative stress.
All of these work by increasing metabolism, lowering inflammation or DHT's propensity to increasing inflammation, or reducing oxidative stress.
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Thank you for reading this. Definitely give this tweet here a repost if you found this interesting, this is a very pervasive narrative that could use some extra clarity:
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SOURCES:
5AR not genetically associated pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9620288/ - so even though there is high DHT it’s not genetic
Finasteride is mid, doesn’t work in advanced stages at all, doesn’t work for many in general
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20956649/ (NNT = 3-6)
blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2013/01/31/fin… - 10%, small amount of hairs
link.springer.com/article/10.100…
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
More prevalent now, frontiersin.org/journals/medic… doubled
Age of diagnosis younger belgraviacentre.com/blog/hair-loss….
jcpsp.pk/article-detail… , pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23991602/
sciencedirect.com/science/articl… master review
Inflammation drives androgen secretion
mdpi.com/1422-0067/24/2…, nature.com/articles/s4146…
Does DHT lower inflammation?sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
Androgens work through lowering IGF-1 (which drops in IR) iNOS, NO TGF-b1 TGF-b2 dickkopf1 IL-6 Inhibiting Wnt/BCatenin - onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ex…, jdsjournal.com/article/S0923-…, sciencedirect.com/science/articl… , pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21839661/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21881585/ - IL-6 upregulated IN BALDING CELLS (this means these r under more oxstr, makes sense bc NF KB is active w oxstr)
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC76… - inflammation, mast cells
ANTIHISTAMINES pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2469708/, pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10…, pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33909554/, pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28604133/
jidonline.org/article/S0022-… - blood vessels die, higher nuclear localization
iNOS inhibition researchgate.net/figure/Topical…
Dandruff is common, fungus can drive it
ROS mediates DHT response - can it cause MPB without changing DHT?
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC72…
sciencedirect.com/science/articl… “this suggests that DPCs maintained in an environment of low oxidative stress (e.g., 2% O2) are protected from DHT-induced TGF-β secretion.”
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC41…
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC38…
Antioxidants help
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11…
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38685364/
CRF shortens hair, activates relevant factors, drives oxstr, cortisol is high in AGA
Stress + Thyroid, ROS pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10…
PRP works by giving growth factors pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC89…
High PGD2 - is it more relevant than PGE2? - yes - sci-hub.se/10.1111/ijd.15…
mdpi.com/2073-4409/12/4…, (mediates DHT response) mdpi.com/2079-9284/11/5… blocking PGD2 grows hair
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…, nature.com/articles/s4141… - hair follicle metabolism, microbiome, ROS
SIRT negatively associated w hair loss bmcresnotes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11…
Pressure theory pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC41…
Transcriptomics of DHT pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC84…, nature.com/articles/s4159…
Methylation controls AR expression pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21428981/
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC59… more on epigenetics, beard vs scalp but for T not DHT
Beard vs scalp jidonline.org/article/S0022-…
Genetics review: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11…
5AR not genetically associated pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9620288/ - so even though there is high DHT it’s not genetic
Finasteride is mid, doesn’t work in advanced stages at all, doesn’t work for many in general
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20956649/ (NNT = 3-6)
blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2013/01/31/fin… - 10%, small amount of hairs
link.springer.com/article/10.100…
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
More prevalent now, frontiersin.org/journals/medic… doubled
Age of diagnosis younger belgraviacentre.com/blog/hair-loss….
jcpsp.pk/article-detail… , pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23991602/
sciencedirect.com/science/articl… master review
Inflammation drives androgen secretion
mdpi.com/1422-0067/24/2…, nature.com/articles/s4146…
Does DHT lower inflammation?sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
Androgens work through lowering IGF-1 (which drops in IR) iNOS, NO TGF-b1 TGF-b2 dickkopf1 IL-6 Inhibiting Wnt/BCatenin - onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ex…, jdsjournal.com/article/S0923-…, sciencedirect.com/science/articl… , pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21839661/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21881585/ - IL-6 upregulated IN BALDING CELLS (this means these r under more oxstr, makes sense bc NF KB is active w oxstr)
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC76… - inflammation, mast cells
ANTIHISTAMINES pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2469708/, pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10…, pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33909554/, pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28604133/
jidonline.org/article/S0022-… - blood vessels die, higher nuclear localization
iNOS inhibition researchgate.net/figure/Topical…
Dandruff is common, fungus can drive it
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ROS mediates DHT response - can it cause MPB without changing DHT?
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC72…
sciencedirect.com/science/articl… “this suggests that DPCs maintained in an environment of low oxidative stress (e.g., 2% O2) are protected from DHT-induced TGF-β secretion.”
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC41…
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC38…
Antioxidants help
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11…
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38685364/
CRF shortens hair, activates relevant factors, drives oxstr, cortisol is high in AGA
Stress + Thyroid, ROS pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10…
PRP works by giving growth factors pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC89…
High PGD2 - is it more relevant than PGE2? - yes - sci-hub.se/10.1111/ijd.15…
mdpi.com/2073-4409/12/4…, (mediates DHT response) mdpi.com/2079-9284/11/5… blocking PGD2 grows hair
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…, nature.com/articles/s4141… - hair follicle metabolism, microbiome, ROS
SIRT negatively associated w hair loss bmcresnotes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11…
Pressure theory pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC41…
Transcriptomics of DHT pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC84…, nature.com/articles/s4159…
Methylation controls AR expression pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21428981/
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC59… more on epigenetics, beard vs scalp but for T not DHT
Beard vs scalp jidonline.org/article/S0022-…
Genetics review: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11…























