Morning. On the way back to Westminster Magistrates Court for day...
Nick Wallis@nickwallis
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Sep 05, 2025
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Morning. On the way back to Westminster Magistrates Court for day two of Graham Linehan’s trial for harassment and damaging a phone. Here is @Glinner at the end of yesterday’s hearing.
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Yesterday the prosecution set out the case and the complainant (an 18yo male called Sophia Brooks) gave evidence, and was cross-examined. Read the tweet thread on that here:
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I am at Westminster Magistrates court sitting directly across the courtroom from Graham Linehan who is sitting in the dock, about to stand trial for harassment and damaging a camera. That is @sharrond62 in the photo who has arrived to support @Glinner
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Westminster Magistrates Court in the sunshine this morning. It's v close to Marylebone station for those not familiar.
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Some shots of the scene directly outside from the queue to get in.
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I am now in court, same seat as yesterday. Graham Linehan (GL) is sitting directly opposite me on the other side of the courtroom - outside the dock. The public gallery is once more heaving. @ThePosieParker is in the public gallery with a few other veterans of the gender wars.
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The complainant - Sophia Brooks (SB) has plentiful supporters as well. Initially SB and two friends were going to sit at the back of court, but there's been a bit of a kerfuffle (one fell out of their seat and has been telling prosecuting counsel that something isn't acceptable)
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... and it seems they've all now been moved to the public gallery. So the main well of the court is now just lawyers and hacks. Not as many journalists as yesterday (first day of a trial always attracts more attention), but often the more interesting details come up later on...
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Yesterday the judge told court that prosecuting counsel would use female pronouns to describe SB, defence counsel would call him Ms Brooks and GL would describe him as a man. The judge made the point very clearly there would be no compelled speech in her courtroom. To that end..
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I will mainly be using sex-based pronouns throughout my reporting unless quoting others. I have no desire to be discourteous to anyone, it comes from a personal and professional desire to describe reality/the world as it is.
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Also PLEASE NOTE - everything I tweet is a summary and/or chracterisation of what is being said or happening in court NOT a verbatim record. Nothing is a direct quote unless I put it in "direct quotes".
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Judge is in court, but deaiing with her list. Currently discussing a completely different case.
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Yesterday the atmosphere was very relaxed. Today it seems quite charged. Despite fewer media we were all ticketed and the ushers were a lot stricter today.
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Prosecuting counsel is Julia Faure Walker who I will likely call P for proescutor.
GL's counsel is Sarah Vine KC who I called SV yesterday which got slightly confusing with SB, especially as B and V are next to each other on the keyboard. I might try DC for Defence Counsel...
GL's counsel is Sarah Vine KC who I called SV yesterday which got slightly confusing with SB, especially as B and V are next to each other on the keyboard. I might try DC for Defence Counsel...
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... with D for defendant (ie GL).
J for judge obvs. Once the youngest ever female judge in the country #trufact
J for judge obvs. Once the youngest ever female judge in the country #trufact
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What else can I tell you? It's hot and stuffy - the judge has already said people can take their jackets off and steps are being taken to keep the lawyers watered. I am not sure if steps are being taken to deal with the aircon, but it is mildly uncomfortable.
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It's a windowless modern courtroom. I am not going to start describing the pattern of the carpet, but nothing is happening right now...
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P on her feet telling J that the C (SB) was in the well of court with two friends and DC objected so they were moved to the public gallery. In doing so one fell over which was "humiliating", but everything seems okay now.
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J right P believes SB should be addressed according to their affirmed gender and name. D says C is male and ID-ing as female does not alter this fact. DC will call C "the complainant" or "Ms Brooks". D will call C a male and use language like transsexual and gender ID.
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J - language will not be policed, but it is likely that some of this language might cause offence - however any reactions from the public gallery including laughter as we had yesterday will not be tolerated and people will be removed if this happens.
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[P calls Acting Det Sergeant Thomas Wells to give evidence for the P. He is affirmed]
P you are officer in the case
TW yes
P i/v\d GL on 5 Feb this year
TW yes
P did he have a prepared statement
TW yes
P you are officer in the case
TW yes
P i/v\d GL on 5 Feb this year
TW yes
P did he have a prepared statement
TW yes
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[also as I know it's important - J also said DC will use sex-based pronouns for SB]
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[P taking the J through correctinos to GL's prepared statement, then reads it out]
- in Oct 1994 I was an invited speaker at the battle of ideas - I was approached by Tarquin (GL's name for SB) who filmed me at close quarters and tried to disrupt the event, despite being ejected he was able to harass people around the venue. He put his camera right in people's faces in order to provoke a reaction. People put their hands or things in front of the camera which he treats as a game - at the end of the day T approached me again, at the end of the day and make a provocative statement about my family situation - this is a highly emotional matter to me - in response I grabbed the phone and threw it to one side - I am sure this is what he wanted - however I had had enough of his provocation. I did not intend to damage the phone I have been informed I might have a criminal or civil claim against him but I do not want to pursue this. I did write about him on X but as a journalist I wanted to expose the activities of trans activists. I understand there is video footage which I have not seen - I don't know how it has been edited before being handed to police.
[NOTE THIS IS NOT VERBATIM!!!!]
- in Oct 1994 I was an invited speaker at the battle of ideas - I was approached by Tarquin (GL's name for SB) who filmed me at close quarters and tried to disrupt the event, despite being ejected he was able to harass people around the venue. He put his camera right in people's faces in order to provoke a reaction. People put their hands or things in front of the camera which he treats as a game - at the end of the day T approached me again, at the end of the day and make a provocative statement about my family situation - this is a highly emotional matter to me - in response I grabbed the phone and threw it to one side - I am sure this is what he wanted - however I had had enough of his provocation. I did not intend to damage the phone I have been informed I might have a criminal or civil claim against him but I do not want to pursue this. I did write about him on X but as a journalist I wanted to expose the activities of trans activists. I understand there is video footage which I have not seen - I don't know how it has been edited before being handed to police.
[NOTE THIS IS NOT VERBATIM!!!!]
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P did you iv last 55 mins
TW yes
P did GL read out his statement and make no comment to any other questions
TW yes
TW yes
P did GL read out his statement and make no comment to any other questions
TW yes
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[P asks TW about crickets being released into the QEII conference centre at the LGBA confy on 11 Oct 2024.]
P when were police called
TW 1619 hours by staff at the QEII
P have you seen the CCTV of the incident
TW yes
P did the incident happen shortly before the call
TW yes
P when were police called
TW 1619 hours by staff at the QEII
P have you seen the CCTV of the incident
TW yes
P did the incident happen shortly before the call
TW yes
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P four individuals detained by conference staff
TW yes
P and none were SB
TW correct.
[DC on her feet to x-e TW]
DC do you have "Chris" reports of the case?
TW yes
TW yes
P and none were SB
TW correct.
[DC on her feet to x-e TW]
DC do you have "Chris" reports of the case?
TW yes
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DC for benefit of the public they are basically all the docs related to the cases including any emails statements observations by police etc
TW [agrees]
DC there were three "Chris" reports for this case.
TW yes
DC initial complaint was an assault - then a robbery?
TW [agrees]
DC there were three "Chris" reports for this case.
TW yes
DC initial complaint was an assault - then a robbery?
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TW was initially recorded as robbery yes
DC then later in Oct a new "CRIS" [now correct] report was generated around harassment
TW yes
DC and a call was taken from a Lynsay Watson about online harassment
TW yes
DC let's look at the harassment (H) CRIS first...
DC then later in Oct a new "CRIS" [now correct] report was generated around harassment
TW yes
DC and a call was taken from a Lynsay Watson about online harassment
TW yes
DC let's look at the harassment (H) CRIS first...
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DC so first of all there is a record of an online complaint from a man called Michelle Louise Burrows. That is a complaint which makes ref to event at the battle of ideas confy [which came a couple of weeks AFTER the LGBA crickets confy at QEII]
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DC the complainant says former comedy writer GL approached a 17yo girl and called her a sissy-porn watching scumbag and there is no doubt she would have been assaulted had he not been dragged away. Since then he has been trying to doxx her to get one of his thousands...
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... of followers to assault her. GL has previous - he was given a caution by Norfolk police - he has a murderous hatred of trans people I respectfully demand you investigate.
DC GL is a man of good character
TW correct
DC no convictions nothing on pol database
DC GL is a man of good character
TW correct
DC no convictions nothing on pol database
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TW correct
DC in 2017 a complaint was made about him using sex-based pronouns and the police called him
TW I became aware of that after taking over this iv
DC no charge of caution resulted
TW correct
DC in 2017 a complaint was made about him using sex-based pronouns and the police called him
TW I became aware of that after taking over this iv
DC no charge of caution resulted
TW correct
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DC Lynsay Watson gets in touch to say GL has been targeting SB because she is TG and he has a murderous hatred of trans people. GL is trying to doxx her. I fear if he is not stopped she will be killed. GL also bragged about chucking...
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... her phone across the road - admission of aggravated criminal damage. I fear for SB's life. "Please act with haste this is an emergency safeguarding matter - this is rapidly getting out of hand."
DC so that was Lynsay Watson's report on 22 Oct 2024
[DC goes to another report]
DC so that was Lynsay Watson's report on 22 Oct 2024
[DC goes to another report]
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[TG = transgender obvs
Lynsay Watson going to be LW now]
DC on the same day LW gets in touch someone gets in touch with the police there is an [anonymous?] complaint (AC) about GL's boasting online of chucking the phone. AC says they are gathering evidence against GL in order...
Lynsay Watson going to be LW now]
DC on the same day LW gets in touch someone gets in touch with the police there is an [anonymous?] complaint (AC) about GL's boasting online of chucking the phone. AC says they are gathering evidence against GL in order...
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to make a criminal complaint.
DC then a new note two days later - Victim is a police cadet being assisted by a former police officer - victim advised what happened wasn't a robbery but is crim damage
DC then a new note two days later - Victim is a police cadet being assisted by a former police officer - victim advised what happened wasn't a robbery but is crim damage
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DC takes TW to another report...
DC this is a continuation of the entry made that recorded LW's and Michelle Louise Burrows complaints about GL. In the box at the top could you confirm this commentary - reads - victim had been attending to take pictures but had denied...
DC this is a continuation of the entry made that recorded LW's and Michelle Louise Burrows complaints about GL. In the box at the top could you confirm this commentary - reads - victim had been attending to take pictures but had denied...
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... entry. Victim has obtained GL's address and says it's only a mile from where she lives. V advised not to attend GL's address.
DC goes to new entry on 14 Nov - the C has contacted police - wanting update - unhappy case has been closed and stalking offence not being pursued
DC goes to new entry on 14 Nov - the C has contacted police - wanting update - unhappy case has been closed and stalking offence not being pursued
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[DC still reading from notes]
... advised not in a position to reopen - needs to pursue a complaint.
DC we now have an email from the complainant - Good morning - could you explain by what you mean with no...
... advised not in a position to reopen - needs to pursue a complaint.
DC we now have an email from the complainant - Good morning - could you explain by what you mean with no...
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... evidential leads of inquiry - I have provided his name full address, phone number and date of birth - I have provided all the tweets - there is enough evidence to pursue this. I have not been contacted by the OIC before he closed the case...
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... If you do not reopen the case I will complain to prof standards, IOPC and seek Judicial Review (JR) if necessary. You have breached the victims code - [lists how], kind regards, Sophia.
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DC following day, case reopened
TW yes
DC and you were made iv officer
TW yes
[DC takes him to a summary TW made of the complaint by SB]
TW yes
DC and you were made iv officer
TW yes
[DC takes him to a summary TW made of the complaint by SB]
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DC in the 2nd par of your summary you say of GL - he has repeatedly referred to her (SB), despite SB being a woman. SB who is TG believes this is deliberate and has been done with a view to causing her distress.
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... she believes this is a hate crime because she is being targeted because of her TG ID.
DC where did this come from?
TW my reading of what was on CRIS and that alone - I had not contacted C at that point
DC where did this come from?
TW my reading of what was on CRIS and that alone - I had not contacted C at that point
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DC to put it mildly this is a slightly ticklish subject, but is it police policy to treat people as the sex they say they are.
TW yes
DC so if I said to you, I am a man, my name is Michael Vine, you would record me as a man
TW yes and I would refer to you as you would prefer.
TW yes
DC so if I said to you, I am a man, my name is Michael Vine, you would record me as a man
TW yes and I would refer to you as you would prefer.
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DC second box on the report is by you. it starts with a note of a message you have sent to the press bureau that you are about to iv GL by arrangement
TW yes - hadn't scheduled an iv with him by then but I wanted to let them know as he is a well-known figure and it might cause...
TW yes - hadn't scheduled an iv with him by then but I wanted to let them know as he is a well-known figure and it might cause...
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... public interest.
DC in that box you say - I am intending to invite GL to a caution plus vol iv at CC police station - will offer iv on 23 Dec - I am making you aware as he is likely to post about it online. He is well know having written Father Ted, Black Books etc...
DC in that box you say - I am intending to invite GL to a caution plus vol iv at CC police station - will offer iv on 23 Dec - I am making you aware as he is likely to post about it online. He is well know having written Father Ted, Black Books etc...
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... more recently he has "become known for his strong anti-transgender views"
DC did that come from you
TW I wrote that - it was probably too strong a word - I should have said gender-critical
DC who were your sources
TW colleagues, publicly available info and the info...
DC did that come from you
TW I wrote that - it was probably too strong a word - I should have said gender-critical
DC who were your sources
TW colleagues, publicly available info and the info...
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... I had at hand.
DC moving on - let's look at the line which is a message from SB where he says I'm unavailable on Thu as I'm having my mobile assessed for damage GL may have caused when he threw my mobile across the street.
[TW confirms that's what it says]
DC moving on - let's look at the line which is a message from SB where he says I'm unavailable on Thu as I'm having my mobile assessed for damage GL may have caused when he threw my mobile across the street.
[TW confirms that's what it says]
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DC moving on 7 Nov - further contact from LW. LW states - good afternoon El, hope you are well, just wondering if there was any update. Managed to contact SB and she has great confidence in your...
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... abilities so I'll not push you for an update - but just to let you know the protection from harassment act offers unlimited fines. GL is 100% to crowdfund any fine imposed on him - he can crowdfund 100k in a week and will scoff at any fine...
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- but any large fine would have a huge effect on GL and those he radicalises - trying to stop GL is surely a thing to seek - I will help anyway I can and can send a draft text for an witness statement...
DC did LW send a WS?
TW didn't get one if he did
DC did LW send a WS?
TW didn't get one if he did
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P no re-examination
J no q's
TW leaves the witness box and returns to sit in the well of the court
P that is the prosecution case
J thank you
DC I would now like to make a submission of No Case to Answer
J no q's
TW leaves the witness box and returns to sit in the well of the court
P that is the prosecution case
J thank you
DC I would now like to make a submission of No Case to Answer
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DC to summarise this process - what the court is tasked with now is to ascertain whether this court could reasonably convict GL on either charge. This is made on both charges, but my principle focus at this stage is on charge of harassment. You can decide this on credibility...
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... of complainant. I would like to make clear for those listening that neither party is asking you to pick a side in what is a political ongoing contention between the conflict of rights and gender ID. The tone of the debate is the context of this debate, but the court is in ...
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... the happy position of not having to define it.
DC a person's complaint about another's conduct must be assessed against the other person's conduct. The conduct of C is to be borne centrally in mind. This analysis is independent of the quality of the evidence.
DC a person's complaint about another's conduct must be assessed against the other person's conduct. The conduct of C is to be borne centrally in mind. This analysis is independent of the quality of the evidence.
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DC did the conduct properly amount to H such that it attracts criminal sanction. The conduct at its height can be summarised as follows. GL published photos of the complainant largely in a public place and none said to be private.
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DC secondly tagging the met police into a tweet that he believed Freda Wallace and SB had knowledge of the LGBA cricket attach
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DC thirdly - asking for info and telling his followers he was preparing a document on this guy to give to police
- telling his followers to block SB's accounts
- describing him as a deeply disturbed sociopath
- telling his followers to block SB's accounts
- describing him as a deeply disturbed sociopath
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DC - the latter point being made in the context of the Freda Wallace group chat [where a threat/joke was made about KJK]
- calling him and FW "scumbang grooming homophobic sociopathic sadists"
- calling SB a "malignant narcissist"
- calling him and FW "scumbang grooming homophobic sociopathic sadists"
- calling SB a "malignant narcissist"
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- describing SB as "a psycho posh kid"
- posting that C was studying comp sci in London and that anyone who knows him and wants to stop him harassing people to get in touch
- posting that C was studying comp sci in London and that anyone who knows him and wants to stop him harassing people to get in touch
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- asking if City Uni has a good comp sci course
- referring to the complainant as a porn addicted man and sociopath who harasses women
- stating his belief C was behind the attack at the LGBA
- tagging met police telling them to look out for SB and FW at a LWS event
- referring to the complainant as a porn addicted man and sociopath who harasses women
- stating his belief C was behind the attack at the LGBA
- tagging met police telling them to look out for SB and FW at a LWS event
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DC these are sincerely held beliefs about C's conduct and they are directed at the police. GL wants the police involved. These are not a call to vigilantism and cannot be construed as such. Complaints of C's harassment ...
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are not vexatious - there is sufficient evidence before this court to create a foundation from which it could be inferred that indeed C engages in conduct both objetively and subjectively is H..
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... GL is not formal, polite or diplomatic. It is crude and to C unwelcome. Taken as a whole in the specific context of C's conduct and the wider political conduct this does not cross the threshold of oppressive.
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DC we submit C's claim to be alarmed and distressed was robotic and unpersuasive
DC it is prima facie evidence that C engaged in behaviour v similar to that which he complains of. His conduct in person at BoI confy further supports the interpretation of his behaviour as H
DC it is prima facie evidence that C engaged in behaviour v similar to that which he complains of. His conduct in person at BoI confy further supports the interpretation of his behaviour as H
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DC moving on to crim damage of phone - evidentially this is a diff picture. GL did take the phone and throw it. Two matters are before the court - there is sufficient evidence for the court to consider at this stage. The first is C's credibility in his attribution of the damage
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... on undated photos. images of damage we can be reasonably certain we can reliably tether to 7 Nov. In my submission it is unrealistic that a phone which is four years old was in pristine condition after 4 years of use.
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... separately in respect of the crim damage there is the question of the position GL found himself on the 3rd occasion that he was approached in short succession after the BoI confy.
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- the court has a description of a prelim form of H, brief footage has been seen of SB mentioning GL before the event before asking if he was being recorded.
DC I can play the relevant footage of that final capture, but C's response that he had a clear line of exit can't
DC I can play the relevant footage of that final capture, but C's response that he had a clear line of exit can't
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... be seen on the camera.
DC do you want to see it again
J yes
[TECH TIME!!! will it work, will it not... exciting...]
DC do you want to see it again
J yes
[TECH TIME!!! will it work, will it not... exciting...]
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[Credit where due - it was pretty swift - we see GL as people exit conference - he is being filmed by SB. it is dark. SB gets close with the phone and asks "why do you think it is acceptable to call teenagers domestic terrorists" - GL clocks him and within a second or two...
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... has grabbed the phone which loses picture and "Oi! Oi!" can be heard.]
DC whilst of course I don't suggest that this was a slow calculated response, in order to get himself out of that situation - GL either had to stand and take more of it, or he had to move the complainant
DC whilst of course I don't suggest that this was a slow calculated response, in order to get himself out of that situation - GL either had to stand and take more of it, or he had to move the complainant
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... out of his way or he had to take the phone and get rid of it.
DC on that basis, it's my submission that neither count should proceed further because there is no case to answer on either. I appreciate of course perhaps a different situation on the evidential landscape...
DC on that basis, it's my submission that neither count should proceed further because there is no case to answer on either. I appreciate of course perhaps a different situation on the evidential landscape...
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... on H rather than crim damage. Before P responds I think I can say we would both be content if you are against me on either or both you can indicate that.
P the crowns evidence is 60 pages of soc med posts over a 16 day period. It is clearly targeted at an individual
P the crowns evidence is 60 pages of soc med posts over a 16 day period. It is clearly targeted at an individual
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P who is not engaging - it is repeatedly targeted at an individual - it goes over a threshold because it is repeated. It links SB to an event for which there is no evidence they were involved. SB says she only came to the event at 1700 - that was not challenged.
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P this is repeatedly abusive comments made by a person with a very large following, celebrity status, a middle aged man in his 50s. He is of great influence. It is against a person who he might view who he might view as annoying, but who has a lower status...
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... This was published to a very large audience online. In relation to the tweets which have been put before the court - D's comments are oppressive and H. Those tweets fall into the matter of a reasonable excuse for...
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... which he has the burden of proof and we're not there. In respect of SB's tweets - they are in the context of ongoing situations where people insult each other. So we don't need to look futher than what he said over the BoI - "groomer... sissy-porn addicted... scum"
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P told the court she found GL using male pronouns "rude" - quite measured. Yes she did say several times she was "alarmed and distressed", but there's no reason to believe she isn't telling the truth when she said that.
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P as to criminal damage - she changed her cover that day and didn't see any damage - it's the sort of thing she would notice. GL threw the phone onto a road. It is likely there would be damage. There is no reason to...
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... disbelieve her account. When SB challenged GL that was not a crime - nor is recording it - given the context. So there is no crime that GL was attempting to prevent. It was not to prevent crime but an act in anger and indicative of his dislike to the complainant.
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- it tallies with his tweet about being proud of throwing the phone across the road.
[P ends]
DC - just on that last point - GL's note on being proud was in response to Julie Bindel's point about SB being a bellend and harassing women all day.
[P ends]
DC - just on that last point - GL's note on being proud was in response to Julie Bindel's point about SB being a bellend and harassing women all day.
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DC it is falacious to say that a consideration of the available defences cannot be considered by the court now. Finally what I would observe about the last recording is that there is a point when what might be described as provocative becomes harassment.
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J am going to rise for a few minutes to gather my thoughts. also need a comfort break. We will resume at 12.15pm
[court rises]
[court rises]
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Sorry to keep you waiting. During the break Sarah Vine (Defence Counsel) and Julia Faure Walker (prosecuting counsel) were watching something on SV's phone. They had quite an intense discussion and then tipped off the clerk they were going to put something before the judge...
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... on the judge's return. Judge duly came back at 12.15pm and SV told the judge she had received some potentially relevant video footage from a non-legal but trusted source, which may need to be examined before any ruling on the application to strike out the case.
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There was a bit of chit chat as it's not completely clear what the footage shows, so what the judge has ordered is that the court is completely cleared of all but non-lawyers whilst they view the footage and decide whether it does show what it purports to show.
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And if so whether witness statements and possibly evidence is given in court.
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The reason to clear the court is so they can watch the footage on the big screen to see what it actually is.
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I've been given a link to the footage that is apparently being viewed in court - it is publicly available so I'm sharing it. I don't KNOW for certain this is what the court is viewing or whether the footage itself is legit or relevant. Treat accordingly
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Also the mobile reception outside court is worse than it is in court, so apologies for the sporadic tweets. we're still shut out of court. It's going to be lunch soon.
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[we're back]
J - I wanted to look at some evidence in private and I am now able to explain - there was an applicaiton made by DC to adduce a further video clip take about a yeaer before the relevant period in this case said to show the C at a LWS event.
J - I wanted to look at some evidence in private and I am now able to explain - there was an applicaiton made by DC to adduce a further video clip take about a yeaer before the relevant period in this case said to show the C at a LWS event.
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J That evidence if it were to be addcued would require C to be recalled so it could be put to the C. I have ruled that the footage is NOT admissable it falls into category of bad character evidence - it did not meet the requisite test so the C will not be recalled.
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J also I am not going to allow a strike out of this case. There is a case to answer on the evidence.
J are you going to call D
DC yes
J and five others?
DC we're going to try to whittle it down
J so we're likely to go to another day
DC reluctantly yes - would you adjourn for
J are you going to call D
DC yes
J and five others?
DC we're going to try to whittle it down
J so we're likely to go to another day
DC reluctantly yes - would you adjourn for
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... submissions on another occasion
J yes
J yes
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[so it looks like we're going to have GL give evidence and get all the Witness evidence done by the end of the day - then there will be another day for submissions - J not keen to sit late just to squeeze it all in...]
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[which is understood - so the plan is to try to get all the witnesses in before end of play, but that might not happen. SV raised the prospect of getting them all done by 3.15pm which might change the game a bit - J intimated we'd cross that bridge if we came to it]
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[we reconvene after lunch]
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Just to be clear - the next day will not be at least until October, which likely means @Glinner will have to fly back from the US for the hearing to attend court for closing submissions after which judgment MIGHT be reserved. Will check this.
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Thank you to the kind person who, just before proceedings began today, gave me a snack (pictured) to tide me over lunch. Accepting food from strangers may not be the wisest idea, but she looked v trustworthy. I have just eaten the gifts. If this thread starts to...
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... meander and then stop half way through proceedings...
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I'll put you on my mailing list and be very grateful. Unless I already have something already booked I'm happy to commit now to attending the third day of this trial (assuming it will happen in October) and any separate handing down of the verdict.
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I forgot to say - I do run a blog on gender - it's not exactly teeming with content and has had to take a back seat whilst I focus on my PO book, but I'm hoping to crank it up as soon as I get that done.
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If you want to have a look at genderblog it's here - all comments welcome. The posts on neovaginas and neophalluses I think are eye-opening!
genderblog.net
genderblog.net
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This was intended eventually to be funded in the same way I fund the PO blog - through crowdfunding so any excess from your generosity today will go into a pot allowing me to work on content and IT costs of the platform - speaking of which...
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... my web guru says he'll try to get all the live-tweets up from these two days on genderblog asap.
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[we're back in court]
[J is managing another case before we go back to Crown vs @Glinner]
[J is managing another case before we go back to Crown vs @Glinner]
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[DC on her feet]
DC I call GL
[GL takes the witness box. His hands are shaking as he pours his water. He says the affirmation]
DC I call GL
[GL takes the witness box. His hands are shaking as he pours his water. He says the affirmation]
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[GL invited to sit by J]
DC how old are you
GL 57
DC you live in Arizona
GL yes
DC how long?
GL six months something like that
DC how old are you
GL 57
DC you live in Arizona
GL yes
DC how long?
GL six months something like that
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DC before that?
GL London
DC before that?
GL Norwich
DC and that was before the break up of your marriage
GL yes
DC was that connected to the sex and gender debate
GL yes
GL London
DC before that?
GL Norwich
DC and that was before the break up of your marriage
GL yes
DC was that connected to the sex and gender debate
GL yes
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DC when did you recognise the conflict between ideas of sex and gender
GL I can't remember exactly I just saw a lot of people being bullied and a lot of the people being bullied were women and they couldn't speak up, no one was reporting on it BBC wasn't reporting it...
GL I can't remember exactly I just saw a lot of people being bullied and a lot of the people being bullied were women and they couldn't speak up, no one was reporting on it BBC wasn't reporting it...
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.... the BBC continually lie about this and so I thought I start talking about it
DC when did you start
GL I saw a piece which was quite balanced about being kind to TG people but also pointing out that there were boundaries and problems. I was asked about my thoughts on TG...
DC when did you start
GL I saw a piece which was quite balanced about being kind to TG people but also pointing out that there were boundaries and problems. I was asked about my thoughts on TG...
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... things so I linked to the piece as I thought it was reasonable and since then my life has been made hell by TRAs and the media.
DC when did you first have contact with the police
[GL starts talking about Stephanie Hayden and his criminal behaviour
DC stops him and refocuses]
DC when did you first have contact with the police
[GL starts talking about Stephanie Hayden and his criminal behaviour
DC stops him and refocuses]
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GL When you create a sacred group it attracts bad actors and trans activism is very male and engages in patterns of behaviour which
[sorry got lost - GL is talking fast and passionately about definitions of trans, the damage to young women of medical transition - DC refocuses]
[sorry got lost - GL is talking fast and passionately about definitions of trans, the damage to young women of medical transition - DC refocuses]
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[DC summarises GL's position on the danger of transactivism]
GL agrees - trans is something I don't understand - being trans used to mean being a transsexual now it means anyone who says they are trans
[starts to talk about how the Guardian has twisted his words to besmirch...
GL agrees - trans is something I don't understand - being trans used to mean being a transsexual now it means anyone who says they are trans
[starts to talk about how the Guardian has twisted his words to besmirch...
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... his career. Says media organisation have beaten him up in the dark. "When I refused to stop talking about it that's when they went after my wife... the police visits... I was losing all my income... the pressure drove us apart". Says he had to leave the country...
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... lost his friends.
DC when did you become aware of the person we now know as SB
GL became aware of him at a LWS even wearing a mirrored-mask - he was jostling people and trying get a reaction - he was a typical TRA misogynist, he was abusive he was snide and he relied on his..
DC when did you become aware of the person we now know as SB
GL became aware of him at a LWS even wearing a mirrored-mask - he was jostling people and trying get a reaction - he was a typical TRA misogynist, he was abusive he was snide and he relied on his..
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... anonymity to do this and I really wanted to expose his identity so he could be stopped.
DC how many people spoke to you about him
GL loads - got someone arrested, bit similar to this - I'm in a group of 8 people who've suffered from various forms of harassment
DC how many people spoke to you about him
GL loads - got someone arrested, bit similar to this - I'm in a group of 8 people who've suffered from various forms of harassment
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DC this is a toxic debate
GL I'll tell you why - TRAs have a very low bar for offence - the idea you can't correctly sex someone without causing offence is a completely concocted taboo - and it requires you to lie
GL I'll tell you why - TRAs have a very low bar for offence - the idea you can't correctly sex someone without causing offence is a completely concocted taboo - and it requires you to lie
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DC had you tweeted about SB before QEII conf in Oct 2024
GL yes
DC an image of him
GL probably
DC shows image GL has tweeted many times of SB in a suffragette coloured scarf at an LWS event. Why tweet it on 11 Oct 2024
GL cos the MO of the kids who released the crickets at...
GL yes
DC an image of him
GL probably
DC shows image GL has tweeted many times of SB in a suffragette coloured scarf at an LWS event. Why tweet it on 11 Oct 2024
GL cos the MO of the kids who released the crickets at...
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... LGBA conference which I do think is a form of domestic terrorism was the sort of thing that Freda Wallace (FW) would get C and others to do. Sarah Jane Baker tweeted a pic of a cricket in his had and he's a violent criminal
DC sorry we cannot introduce previous criminal...
DC sorry we cannot introduce previous criminal...
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... behaviour into this trial which hasn't been agreed.
GL sorry
DC your use of language. terorrism is an emotive term. why call this domestic terrorism - do you believe it is
GL yes, 100%
DC why use this language
GL most people are terrified of talking about this until...
GL sorry
DC your use of language. terorrism is an emotive term. why call this domestic terrorism - do you believe it is
GL yes, 100%
DC why use this language
GL most people are terrified of talking about this until...
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... recently - particularly women who value their social circles more than men. So if something causes terror in their targets - it's terrorism. You could see how frightened Maria McLaughlin was when they targeted her in that video and they were LOVING that.
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DC how many followers did you have at the time?
GL 500k
DC did you intend to incite any violence on anyone
GL no all the violence and threats of violence come from their side - I just wanted to stop him from targeting women
GL 500k
DC did you intend to incite any violence on anyone
GL no all the violence and threats of violence come from their side - I just wanted to stop him from targeting women
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DC so your tweets about him - there are references to and tagging in the Met Police... - what was your intention apart from warning people about the risks he might pose - what did you want info for
GL we don't know anything about him - we don't know his real name, how old...
GL we don't know anything about him - we don't know his real name, how old...
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... he really is - he's almost like a cipher - a twitter avatar floating around. I wanted the Met to be aware of him. Also I reported a credible death threat from FW and nothing was done about it and every time I do go to the police about these guys - nothing is done about it
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DC the first time you used the word sociopath about SB was on 13 Oct when you tweet about him, FW and a link to the twtter spaces discussion
GL the "you will pay" one
DC - yes - why call him a sociopath
GL I'm told he sent pizzas to his victims at 4am
GL the "you will pay" one
DC - yes - why call him a sociopath
GL I'm told he sent pizzas to his victims at 4am
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[P interrupts on hearsay - DC says it's about GL state of mind - we're not saying it happened]
GL we sent a 400 page file to the police - they arrested him for 1 day and said NFA
GL we sent a 400 page file to the police - they arrested him for 1 day and said NFA
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[DC takes him to a photo
GL can't find it
DC describes more - GL gives up "Oh just tell me Sarah - I'll believe you".
He finds it. Its a GL tweet calling SB, SJB, and FW "scumbag grooming homophobic sociopathic sadists"]
GL can't find it
DC describes more - GL gives up "Oh just tell me Sarah - I'll believe you".
He finds it. Its a GL tweet calling SB, SJB, and FW "scumbag grooming homophobic sociopathic sadists"]
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DC Without talking about criminality...
GL that's hard - there's so much of it
DC Scumbag?
GL I don't think there's anything lower than a man who bullies women
DC homophobic?
GL lesbians with penises etc
DC sociopathic?
GL they love this - you saw on the video - they...
GL that's hard - there's so much of it
DC Scumbag?
GL I don't think there's anything lower than a man who bullies women
DC homophobic?
GL lesbians with penises etc
DC sociopathic?
GL they love this - you saw on the video - they...
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... want to see me punished. Me being here is part of that process. It's almost irrelevant if they get convicted.
DC sadists?
DL talks about the relentlessness of the activists, publishing his address as soon as he upset them, targeting his wife etc etc
DC sadists?
DL talks about the relentlessness of the activists, publishing his address as soon as he upset them, targeting his wife etc etc
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[We got to 19 Oct 2024 and the Battle of Ideas]
DC it was over two days
GL yep
DC were you there both days
GL yes
DC did you see him on the second day
GL no he'd achieved what he wanted to achieve
DC it was over two days
GL yep
DC were you there both days
GL yes
DC did you see him on the second day
GL no he'd achieved what he wanted to achieve
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DC you call him a psycho and a psycho posh kid and say you walked him out
GL we should have reported him for harassment - not taking him to the cops - we asked the copper to talk to him for a while so SB doesn't follow us
GL we should have reported him for harassment - not taking him to the cops - we asked the copper to talk to him for a while so SB doesn't follow us
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DC see this list of sock accounts
GL yes
DC why tweet them
GL to warn people - he can try to use these accounts to win peoples' trust
DC takes him to Kate Harris video - in which GL says he likes to touch people
GL that's bad wording - I meant he gets close in peoples faces
GL yes
DC why tweet them
GL to warn people - he can try to use these accounts to win peoples' trust
DC takes him to Kate Harris video - in which GL says he likes to touch people
GL that's bad wording - I meant he gets close in peoples faces
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DC are you saying he touches people
GL no he's very clever he never does that
DC what about Julie Bindel's tweet where you reply saying you're quite proud of grabbing his phone
GL he was using it as a weapon - trying to make people uneasy and frightened and worried about...
GL no he's very clever he never does that
DC what about Julie Bindel's tweet where you reply saying you're quite proud of grabbing his phone
GL he was using it as a weapon - trying to make people uneasy and frightened and worried about...
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... where those photos would end up.
DC where you reply to someone saying knock his bollocks in you say he's already got someone prosecuted for that - were you inciting to violence.
GL no - the opposite - I just stupidly failed to take my own advice.
DC where you reply to someone saying knock his bollocks in you say he's already got someone prosecuted for that - were you inciting to violence.
GL no - the opposite - I just stupidly failed to take my own advice.
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GL this had been going on all day. I had people telling me oh Tarquin's saying this about you, Robbie Travers showed me a boombox SB had put under my car at the same time he showed me a picture of my wife's house which he had taken.
[talking about taking his phone out...
[talking about taking his phone out...
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... to film SB because he knew SB was filming and doesn't like being filmed. Said stupid things, but says his adrenaline always shoots up when he comes into contact with these people because they're so... nasty]
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DC what was your plan after the BoI
GL I wanted to get out get to the after party and get on with my life
DC when did you see him when you came out -
GL quite soon, tried to stay with the people I was close to but he came towards me - we had an interaction [2nd vid?]
GL I wanted to get out get to the after party and get on with my life
DC when did you see him when you came out -
GL quite soon, tried to stay with the people I was close to but he came towards me - we had an interaction [2nd vid?]
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and I thought oh it's over - then he came back [3rd vid - i instinctively grabbed it I put it behind my back - he looked furious so I threw it across the road and said "there's your fucking phone"
[DC goes back to unpick this]
DC did you think he wanted a reasonable discussion
[DC goes back to unpick this]
DC did you think he wanted a reasonable discussion
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GL no their mantra is literally no debate [reveals: "I once actually had a secret meeting with Stonewall where they tried to persuade me men were women, women were men and I just couldn't buy it"]
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DC going back to the phone throwing incident - could you have moved away?
GL what was I going to do - run away
DC why grab his phone -
GL to stop him
DC why not take his phone
GL because that would be theft
DC why not give it back
GL that would seem like surrender
GL what was I going to do - run away
DC why grab his phone -
GL to stop him
DC why not take his phone
GL because that would be theft
DC why not give it back
GL that would seem like surrender
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DC why throw it
GL it was actually the first time he backed off so it was quite nice
DC did you want to damage it
GL no
GL it was actually the first time he backed off so it was quite nice
DC did you want to damage it
GL no
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DC how hard did you throw it -
GL not hard - just skimmed it across the road
DC was it an act of revenge
GL no it was instinctive - "in fact as soon as I did it - I thought - that's a mistake"
GL not hard - just skimmed it across the road
DC was it an act of revenge
GL no it was instinctive - "in fact as soon as I did it - I thought - that's a mistake"
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DC what happened
GL he followed us for about 20 minutes saying he had destroyed my phone and eventually we got a police officer to talk to him so we could move on without him. I wish we had then reported him for harassment
[GL now talking about his lack of trust in the police..
GL he followed us for about 20 minutes saying he had destroyed my phone and eventually we got a police officer to talk to him so we could move on without him. I wish we had then reported him for harassment
[GL now talking about his lack of trust in the police..
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... references DS TW calling him a trans-activist - and that he was asked what he was assigned at birth when he was recently arrested on the info from another TRA - he says the police are working with TRAs and taking advice from them
DC is there a conspiracy here
GL no - the cops
DC is there a conspiracy here
GL no - the cops
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... just don't understand this.
DC you were interviewed in Feb voluntarily
GL yes
DC and you were charged
GL yes - we submitted a 400 page doc on SB [?] to the cops they decided in one day they weren't going to pursue it. It took them...
DC you were interviewed in Feb voluntarily
GL yes
DC and you were charged
GL yes - we submitted a 400 page doc on SB [?] to the cops they decided in one day they weren't going to pursue it. It took them...
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... two weeks to decide to charge me.
DC you said the police are doing their job in hoc with TRAs
GL yes
DC am I?
GL without knowing it
DC so I'm subsumed in this
GL you're using female pronouns for men, so yes
DC you said the police are doing their job in hoc with TRAs
GL yes
DC am I?
GL without knowing it
DC so I'm subsumed in this
GL you're using female pronouns for men, so yes
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[SORRY!!! THE ABOVE TWEET WAS ALL P - GL is NOW BEING CROSS-EXAMINED AND THE Q's ABOVE WERE Prosecuting Counsel P]
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GL the police are an absolute joke for the way they've followed this idelogy
P you've spoken at BoI before 2024
GL yes
P there are talks of you at the Battle of Ideas on the internet
GL yes
P you've spoken at BoI before 2024
GL yes
P there are talks of you at the Battle of Ideas on the internet
GL yes
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P before the event they publish a programme
GL yes
P so the images of the people speaking at these talks are not private
GL yeah
P so someone speaking at BoI is harassment
GL not necessarily - but SB was filming the attendees too
GL yes
P so the images of the people speaking at these talks are not private
GL yeah
P so someone speaking at BoI is harassment
GL not necessarily - but SB was filming the attendees too
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P well you say that
GL he was! it's in the video
P is it wrong to take images of attendees at an event
GL depends on the context - he was trying to ruin peoples' lives
P is publishing attendees of an event okay
GL why would you want to do that?
GL he was! it's in the video
P is it wrong to take images of attendees at an event
GL depends on the context - he was trying to ruin peoples' lives
P is publishing attendees of an event okay
GL why would you want to do that?
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P is it okay
GL it might not be
P is it harassment to take video of people at the BoI event
GL it might be
P who published photos of BoI attendees online
GL well I published photos of him
GL it might not be
P is it harassment to take video of people at the BoI event
GL it might be
P who published photos of BoI attendees online
GL well I published photos of him
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P you posted a 3m video online which pans round showing BoI attendees
GL yes
P who took that video
GL Julie Bindel took one and someone else took the other
P so she was filming attendees
GL not to try to get them to punch her
GL yes
P who took that video
GL Julie Bindel took one and someone else took the other
P so she was filming attendees
GL not to try to get them to punch her
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P she filmed it, you posted it - that's okay if you do it is it
GL she was filming a person trying to disrupt an event
P did you have permission to post up the images of those attendees?
GL no
GL she was filming a person trying to disrupt an event
P did you have permission to post up the images of those attendees?
GL no
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P so you accept it's okay to do it
GL not if you are using a camera to try to intimidate people
GL not if you are using a camera to try to intimidate people
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[Tech time... we're aiming to watch a video]
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[P asks GL to listen really carefully to the BoI internal confrontation video between Kate Harris (KH) and SB.]
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GL is this where SB keeps telling people to fuck off
P just listen
[sadly the sound is not working]
[yet]
P just listen
[sadly the sound is not working]
[yet]
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[not working yet]
P did you listen to this video before it was posted on the internet
GL yes
P did you listen to what's being sasid
GL yes
P did you listen to this video before it was posted on the internet
GL yes
P did you listen to what's being sasid
GL yes
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J - do we have a transcript?
P the defence transcript doesn't have this part of it.
[okay we have sound]
P do you hear SB saying "you came up to me and took a photo of me"
GL he's lying
P he's lying?
GL yes - as soon as people on the panel started mentioning trans people
P the defence transcript doesn't have this part of it.
[okay we have sound]
P do you hear SB saying "you came up to me and took a photo of me"
GL he's lying
P he's lying?
GL yes - as soon as people on the panel started mentioning trans people
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he started taking photos.
P so it's not possible
GL it might be
[there is a bit of back and forth about whether KH approached SB twice - the pronouns between P and GL are all over the place and GL gets confused as to who we are talking about - P says she will revert to Ms Brooks]
P so it's not possible
GL it might be
[there is a bit of back and forth about whether KH approached SB twice - the pronouns between P and GL are all over the place and GL gets confused as to who we are talking about - P says she will revert to Ms Brooks]
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P when Ms Brooks says that "you took a photo of may" - that may have been true
GL sure, but that's not compared to walking around aggressively and threatening to send photos of them to their employers
P did that happen?
GL sure, but that's not compared to walking around aggressively and threatening to send photos of them to their employers
P did that happen?
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P was she saying that?
GL no - but it's how he operates in the group I'm in I know he's contacted employers calling people paedophiles and bigots
P has she ever done that to you?
GL might have - through a sock account
GL no - but it's how he operates in the group I'm in I know he's contacted employers calling people paedophiles and bigots
P has she ever done that to you?
GL might have - through a sock account
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[there's an epic pronoun-off happening in an argument about what SB is or isn't doing - P's argument is that SB was photographed first. GL says he was TOLD SB was photographing photo]
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[sample:
P so was "SHE" doing so-and-so-and-so?
GL no, "HE" was doing so-and blah
P but "SHE" was not doing blah]
P so was "SHE" doing so-and-so-and-so?
GL no, "HE" was doing so-and blah
P but "SHE" was not doing blah]
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P there are much more disruptive things SB could have done
GL of course - she didn't get naked or set the place on fire
P but you say it was harassment - taking photos.
GL yes
P what is harassment
GL in this case taking photos with the intention to doxx them or tell..
GL of course - she didn't get naked or set the place on fire
P but you say it was harassment - taking photos.
GL yes
P what is harassment
GL in this case taking photos with the intention to doxx them or tell..
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... their employers.
P so basically H is whatever transactivists do that you don't like
GL no but this is their playbook - harassment and doxxing - where are those photos going? no one's ever seen them - you'd think he worked for Reuters the way he talks about it
P so basically H is whatever transactivists do that you don't like
GL no but this is their playbook - harassment and doxxing - where are those photos going? no one's ever seen them - you'd think he worked for Reuters the way he talks about it
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P you've never seen them
GL no one has - he's using them as an implied threat.
[P turns to SB convo with MM]
P they were having a discussion about who was assaulted
GL MM was assaulted, the guy was convicted
P SB's assailant was convicted too - do you only believe people...
GL no one has - he's using them as an implied threat.
[P turns to SB convo with MM]
P they were having a discussion about who was assaulted
GL MM was assaulted, the guy was convicted
P SB's assailant was convicted too - do you only believe people...
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... on the GC side when they say they've been assaulted.
GL MM is of good character. SB was being assisted by a disgraced ex policeman - so I trust the conviction of MM's assailant more.
GL MM is of good character. SB was being assisted by a disgraced ex policeman - so I trust the conviction of MM's assailant more.
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[Long discussion about whether SB was at the QEII building at the time of the crickets attack - GL is convinced SB was there when it's I think been accepted by the court SB turned up at 1700 after the attack]
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P you called SB disgusting, a groomer, an incel
P SB disgusts you
SB he bullies women - it is disgusting
P incel?
SB shut in people who don't have relationships
P SB disgusts you
SB he bullies women - it is disgusting
P incel?
SB shut in people who don't have relationships
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P the expression sissy=porn watching
GL that was something I feel a little bit of regret about - because that was a guess. I think he does what he does is because he's a sadist.
P there are all manner of insults you could have used
GL yes
P but you chose siss=porn
GL that was something I feel a little bit of regret about - because that was a guess. I think he does what he does is because he's a sadist.
P there are all manner of insults you could have used
GL yes
P but you chose siss=porn
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GL it's sissy-porn
P you must be more familiar with it than me
GL Oh I am - I really am
[P calls SB female. GL asks her if she thinks SB really is female - asks her how P thinks SB can be female. J intervenes to tell him this is not what we are here to discuss and P is there...
P you must be more familiar with it than me
GL Oh I am - I really am
[P calls SB female. GL asks her if she thinks SB really is female - asks her how P thinks SB can be female. J intervenes to tell him this is not what we are here to discuss and P is there...
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... to ask questions. also admonishes the gallery for making noise]
GL the problem is we're talking in two different realities - she seems to believe that men are actually female - and she's trying to make me out as a bigot
J yes I know and it makes it quite hard to follow
GL the problem is we're talking in two different realities - she seems to believe that men are actually female - and she's trying to make me out as a bigot
J yes I know and it makes it quite hard to follow
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... but we really are not here to discuss this. You're talking over each other. We need to calm it down and you must just answer your questions as best you are able.
P asks about the language GL used re trans people
GL says I don't know how many trans people you know - I have ...
P asks about the language GL used re trans people
GL says I don't know how many trans people you know - I have ...
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... several trans friends and they hate this movement what these activists have done.
[we are running out of court time - it looks like we'll be sitting late but not too late - however they want to get GL finished so he is allowed to talk to his lawyers after giving evidence...
[we are running out of court time - it looks like we'll be sitting late but not too late - however they want to get GL finished so he is allowed to talk to his lawyers after giving evidence...
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... and there is an issue in that the next witness Kate Harris is moving country tomorrow, so her availability is limited today (though of course video-links do exist in the outside world that was not raised yet)]
[The plan appears to be everyone have 5 mins to calm down...
[The plan appears to be everyone have 5 mins to calm down...
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... then finish GL and try to get KH done. Then set a date for the remainder of the trial. Which I wouldn't bet won't run into two more days]
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[Please note GL speaks v quickly and fluently and I have missed a lot - this style of court reporting really only gives a flavour of what is happening - NOTHING is a direct quote unless in direct quotes]
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[P resumes GL's x-e]
P do you agree on 19 Oct you referred to a "17yo sociopath who think's he's a girl"
GL I did, but I don't think he's 17
P you wrote "17yo sociopath on 19 Oct 2024"
GL but at that stage I was going by his word - don't believe that now
P But you did at the...
P do you agree on 19 Oct you referred to a "17yo sociopath who think's he's a girl"
GL I did, but I don't think he's 17
P you wrote "17yo sociopath on 19 Oct 2024"
GL but at that stage I was going by his word - don't believe that now
P But you did at the...
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... time.
GL yeah he's been in this a while tho
P we have a driving licence with a birth date of 2007
GL and a female name - if you can lie about your name and sex you can lie about everything
P when SB approached you outside the BoI do you agree she was asking you to account...
GL yeah he's been in this a while tho
P we have a driving licence with a birth date of 2007
GL and a female name - if you can lie about your name and sex you can lie about everything
P when SB approached you outside the BoI do you agree she was asking you to account...
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... for what you had said about her online
GL yes
P did she have the right
GL yes and I have the right not to answer
P you called her a domestic terrorist
GL because of the attack at the LGBA
P quite extreme
GL yes
P so they have the right to confront someone
GL yes
P did she have the right
GL yes and I have the right not to answer
P you called her a domestic terrorist
GL because of the attack at the LGBA
P quite extreme
GL yes
P so they have the right to confront someone
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GL sure
P first time you she tried you called her a groomer etc
GL yes
P you didn't explain to her why you called her a DT
GL no I didn't
P by the time we get to the final time do you agree she still had the right to ask you
GL yes - right to do anything short of crim activity
P first time you she tried you called her a groomer etc
GL yes
P you didn't explain to her why you called her a DT
GL no I didn't
P by the time we get to the final time do you agree she still had the right to ask you
GL yes - right to do anything short of crim activity
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P did she have the right to film your response
GL yeah, but not to constantly follow me around
P you were asked why you grabbed the phone and said to stop him doing it
GL yes
P you didn't feel threatened
GL no
P and she had a right to ask you these q's and film the response
GL yeah, but not to constantly follow me around
P you were asked why you grabbed the phone and said to stop him doing it
GL yes
P you didn't feel threatened
GL no
P and she had a right to ask you these q's and film the response
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GL yes
P wasn't committing a crime was she
GL no - he's v careful
P no justification for taking the phone
GL there is - I had been harassed all day, and it was a reactive instinct - I thought we'd have an interaction and then I could get on with my night.
P you said you threw...
P wasn't committing a crime was she
GL no - he's v careful
P no justification for taking the phone
GL there is - I had been harassed all day, and it was a reactive instinct - I thought we'd have an interaction and then I could get on with my night.
P you said you threw...
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... the phone like a stone
GL it was more like a frisbee
P in throwing the phone were you aware there was a risk it might be damaged
GL I wanted it out of my face
P were you angry
GL yes
P did you want to damage SB's phone
GL no - that's why I skimmed it
GL it was more like a frisbee
P in throwing the phone were you aware there was a risk it might be damaged
GL I wanted it out of my face
P were you angry
GL yes
P did you want to damage SB's phone
GL no - that's why I skimmed it
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P you've talked about various things Brooks had done in the past - that's your mindset - did you think SB deserved to be harassed?
GL I think my friends in the feminist movement deserve to talk to discuss their rights without people disrupting them and have a right to know...
GL I think my friends in the feminist movement deserve to talk to discuss their rights without people disrupting them and have a right to know...
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... that abusive men are in the area.
P when you were posting about her online was it to get back at her
GL no it was purely to warn people about him and know his face
P do agree someone who appears argumentative can still have feelings
GL yes
P feelings of alarm and distress
P when you were posting about her online was it to get back at her
GL no it was purely to warn people about him and know his face
P do agree someone who appears argumentative can still have feelings
GL yes
P feelings of alarm and distress
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GL yes but we have seen precisely no evidence of this in all the evidence. We only see the alarm and distress he causes in other people
P you posted to 500k followers and SB was not responding
GL not as far as I am aware. "he prefers to bully women"
P you posted to 500k followers and SB was not responding
GL not as far as I am aware. "he prefers to bully women"
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P you didn't call the police or make a crime report
GL yes because the police are captured - they believe men are women people can change sex they issue wanted posters of people in the wrong sex, they are errand boys for these men
GL yes because the police are captured - they believe men are women people can change sex they issue wanted posters of people in the wrong sex, they are errand boys for these men
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P so when you tagged in the Met Police you didn't think they'd do anything then
GL no but I wanted to put them under pressure
P the way you tagged the police was not a way to report crime
GL no but when I reported a credible death threat to the police from FW they did nothing
GL no but I wanted to put them under pressure
P the way you tagged the police was not a way to report crime
GL no but when I reported a credible death threat to the police from FW they did nothing
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P did you see SB post anything to suggest she was involved in the crickets attack on the LGBA confy
GL no
P do you have any evidence
[GL draws his connection between SJB, FW and SB and the crickets]
P so they were photographed after committing the crime and didn't run away...
GL no
P do you have any evidence
[GL draws his connection between SJB, FW and SB and the crickets]
P so they were photographed after committing the crime and didn't run away...
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... when the police were called.
GL no they were enjoying the moment too much.
P wearing badges to blend in is not a unique MO is it
GL no
P so the teenagers in there could have come up with it by themselves
GL no they were enjoying the moment too much.
P wearing badges to blend in is not a unique MO is it
GL no
P so the teenagers in there could have come up with it by themselves
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GL yes
P there's no rational basis at all for thinking Brooks was involved in the insect attack
GL he was there, he knew a lot about the insect attacks by the lesbian group in the past, he infiltrates events - it's circumstantial evidence sure, but it points towards his knowledge
P there's no rational basis at all for thinking Brooks was involved in the insect attack
GL he was there, he knew a lot about the insect attacks by the lesbian group in the past, he infiltrates events - it's circumstantial evidence sure, but it points towards his knowledge
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[P is taking GL through his tweets about SB again - the pronoun-off appears to have been unconsciously resolved by both P and GL calling SB "Brooks"]
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[It's actually made for a calmer atmosphere]
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P you tweet "does anyone know this man?" - with a phot of SB, so you're still asking for information about Ms Brooks
GL yes
[commentator's curse]
GL yes
[commentator's curse]
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P then you post an image of Ms Brooks and Freda Wallace
GL yeah that's Brooks and Wallace
P so when you post Brooks and Wallace - that's another photo of Brooks
GL yeah I wanted to show the connection with FW - I wanted people to remember his face so he wouldn't be able to...
GL yeah that's Brooks and Wallace
P so when you post Brooks and Wallace - that's another photo of Brooks
GL yeah I wanted to show the connection with FW - I wanted people to remember his face so he wouldn't be able to...
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... trick women and harass them.
P where did you find it
GL might have been sent it might have found it myself on FW account
[we are just going through tweets of GL's - I think P's point is the volume of them...? There's a lot of agreeing going on]
P where did you find it
GL might have been sent it might have found it myself on FW account
[we are just going through tweets of GL's - I think P's point is the volume of them...? There's a lot of agreeing going on]
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P did you think it true SB had harassed gay man
GL yes - we had a 400 page dossier in which his sock accounts went after gay men
P police took no action tho didn't they
GL yes they did - I am pretty sure the size of it was no interest to police we should have reduced the size
GL yes - we had a 400 page dossier in which his sock accounts went after gay men
P police took no action tho didn't they
GL yes they did - I am pretty sure the size of it was no interest to police we should have reduced the size
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P could it be that there was not sufficient evidence of harassment
GL they all came from his sock accounts which he has mostly accepted operating
P there is a tweet which says "so Tarquin is making the rounds again" and you reply "more info on Tarquin pictured"
GL they all came from his sock accounts which he has mostly accepted operating
P there is a tweet which says "so Tarquin is making the rounds again" and you reply "more info on Tarquin pictured"
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- you know he is not called Tarquin
GL yes it came from an event where he was harassing KJK at an LWS event and she said "that's enough Tarquin" and the name stuck
P so it was a term of mockery
GL yes
GL yes it came from an event where he was harassing KJK at an LWS event and she said "that's enough Tarquin" and the name stuck
P so it was a term of mockery
GL yes
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P in a reply you call SJB and SB scumbag homophobic sociopathic sadists - did you mean SB
GL I meant SB - that group of men and all TRAs
P so you think all TRAs are scumbag homophobic sociopatic sadists
GL yes
GL I meant SB - that group of men and all TRAs
P so you think all TRAs are scumbag homophobic sociopatic sadists
GL yes
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P did you know SB made reports to the police before
GL says he got someone arrested for someone pushing a camera out of his face... he also got someone arrested and Brooks quickly had their hands on their home address and I think the police gave it to him.
GL says he got someone arrested for someone pushing a camera out of his face... he also got someone arrested and Brooks quickly had their hands on their home address and I think the police gave it to him.
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P trying to find out where she was studying - were you trying to intrude on her life
GL I was because he is a criminal - he harasses people and he's a sadist.
GL I was because he is a criminal - he harasses people and he's a sadist.
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P you say "was interesting to meet Tarquin today - absolute psycho" - was that based on your interactions?
GL he was going round putting a speaker under a car he thought was mine - showing people photos of my wife's house
GL he was going round putting a speaker under a car he thought was mine - showing people photos of my wife's house
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P that day he wasn't being a psycho
GL he was he was following me around all day and harassing me - I think sociopath is more accurate
P you say that on oath?
GL yeah
P that's an abusive term
GL it's accurate - what part of him going around harassing people don't you understand?
GL he was he was following me around all day and harassing me - I think sociopath is more accurate
P you say that on oath?
GL yeah
P that's an abusive term
GL it's accurate - what part of him going around harassing people don't you understand?
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[P goes on to suggest abusing SB for being posh is abusive and uneccessary]
GL it might be but he entirely earned it
GL it might be but he entirely earned it
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[we are still litigating mean tweets]
P you say watch how Buffalo Bill... who is Buffalo Bill
GL Buffalo Bill is based on a silence of the lambs baddie who likes to kill women and wear their skin
P Is this not aimed at SB's TG indentity
GL what is a TG identity? explain that
P you say watch how Buffalo Bill... who is Buffalo Bill
GL Buffalo Bill is based on a silence of the lambs baddie who likes to kill women and wear their skin
P Is this not aimed at SB's TG indentity
GL what is a TG identity? explain that
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P do you think it's acceptable to compare someone to a serial killer because they are TG
GL when their behaviour is about harassing women
P it's very abusive
GL it is
GL when their behaviour is about harassing women
P it's very abusive
GL it is
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[we're still going through the tweets - lots and lots of abusive tweets towards]
P don't you think you've abused him enough
GL he needs to be taken off the internet and stopped from attending these events
[more rude tweets - calling SB a sociopath, Tarquin etc]
P don't you think you've abused him enough
GL he needs to be taken off the internet and stopped from attending these events
[more rude tweets - calling SB a sociopath, Tarquin etc]
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P you said he likes to handle people
GL yeah sorry that's wrong - he's very careful - it was inaccurate
P it's a lie
GL a lie?! - it's inaccurate
GL yeah sorry that's wrong - he's very careful - it was inaccurate
P it's a lie
GL a lie?! - it's inaccurate
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P you say at one point he's escalating - he wasn't on the 19th was he
GL he was in a way - he was becoming less scared of approaching women and his image being shown
GL he was in a way - he was becoming less scared of approaching women and his image being shown
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[I'm wondering if this is some kind of filibustering - why are we spending all this court time on stuff we've covered that the judge can read any way - I can't see how we're going to get to any of the other witnesses now - the ushers will revolt]
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[not casting aspersion at all - there may be a very good reason for it but it does feel like we're going over lots of ground we've covered except once more in granular detail]
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[given the whole trial was supposed to be finished by the end of today and we're still on the first defence witness]
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P you're aware aren'y you that repeatedly abusing SB in the way you did was harassment.
GL he harasses people, the police won't do anything about it, the press won't cover it so I was trying to do something about
P why is you posting relentless abuse about SB ISN'T harassment
GL he harasses people, the police won't do anything about it, the press won't cover it so I was trying to do something about
P why is you posting relentless abuse about SB ISN'T harassment
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GL because if he didn't harass women and try to get people to punch them - he succeeded once he tried and failed with someone else and he's trying to do it to me
P one rule for GC people who are allowed to harass and TRAs can't?
GL TRAs hate women and I hate them.
P one rule for GC people who are allowed to harass and TRAs can't?
GL TRAs hate women and I hate them.
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[re-examination Defence Counsel - DC on her feet]
DC quotes tweet if you encounter T in the whilst try to resist the urge to stick his camera up his arse
GL to stop people from being provoked in to hitting him I'm only sorry I didn't take my own advice.
DC were you aiming you...
DC quotes tweet if you encounter T in the whilst try to resist the urge to stick his camera up his arse
GL to stop people from being provoked in to hitting him I'm only sorry I didn't take my own advice.
DC were you aiming you...
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... tweets at SB
GL not really - I just wanted to warn people
DC the clips we saw from the BoI - does that represent the totality of SB's behaviour
GL that day? it was the main thing that happened that day.
GL not really - I just wanted to warn people
DC the clips we saw from the BoI - does that represent the totality of SB's behaviour
GL that day? it was the main thing that happened that day.
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J has no questions, GL's evidence ends. He asks to go to the loo.
[we are not doing KH today]
J says next day of the trial will be 29 Oct - three witnesses Julie Bindel, Kate Harris and Fiona McEnena - 2 hours each.
[we are not doing KH today]
J says next day of the trial will be 29 Oct - three witnesses Julie Bindel, Kate Harris and Fiona McEnena - 2 hours each.
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[GL comes back and Judge tells him that's that for now and he needs to come back on 29 Oct]
[everyone is asked to clear court so J can talk to counsel]
[we're done]
[everyone is asked to clear court so J can talk to counsel]
[we're done]
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Thanks v much for the replies retweets and tips. It means a huge amount. There were no court transcribers so I don’t know how or even if transcripts will be generated. I might try to pursue them. Have a great weekend and thanks again.
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