1/ Thread about Indian people outside of India and the USA. There...
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1/ Thread about Indian people outside of India and the USA. There isn't going to be a thesis or an argument made, just facts about Indians in various countries.
Will discuss:
NZ
Australia
UK
Canada
South Africa
Uganda
Malaysia
Singapore
Fiji
Trinidad and Tobago
Will discuss:
NZ
Australia
UK
Canada
South Africa
Uganda
Malaysia
Singapore
Fiji
Trinidad and Tobago
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2/ New Zealand. Indians make up 5.8% of New Zealand population, they are mostly Hindu.
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3/ In the past groups like the White New Zealand league agitated to keep Indians out, and they were barred from certain public accommodations.
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4/ To put it in perspective there were only a few hundred Indians in New Zealand in 1921. Now there are a few hundred thousand. theconversation.com/from-lascars-t…
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5/ Most of the Indians in NZ were born overseas:
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6/ The overall crime rate for Indians in NZ is low: spidercatnz.com/crime-in-new-z…
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7/ However, this doesn't apply to homicides or sex crimes:
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8/ Indians have the highest median personal income in NZ: rnz.co.nz/news/indonz/53…
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9/ Of the Indians born in NZ, a considerable amount are intermixed: wgtn.ac.nz/nziri/document…
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10/ The sex ratio of Indian born is imbalanced and has gotten more imbalanced with time.
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10/ In terms of politics, a mostly Indian sample from an Indian newspaper found that they mostly support the center right National party. indiannewslink.co.nz/indian-newslin…
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11/ Of the 5 Indian MPs that have been elected, 2 have been Labor party, 2 National Party, and 1 New Zealand first.
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12/ Australia. Indians are the second largest immigrant group in Australia behind the UK. They make up 3.1% of the total Australian population including Australian born.
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13/ The religious breakdown is similar to that of New Zealand: homeaffairs.gov.au/mca/files/2016…
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14/ Median income seems moderately higher than the Australian average:
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15/ I could only find crime data for Victoria, but they don't seem heavily represented in crime there. Sudanese are massively overrepresented: theconversation.com/three-charts-o…
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16/ In terms of politics, Indians mostly support leftwing parties: carnegieendowment.org/research/2022/…
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17/ How they identify when there two options:
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18/ They mostly identify as liberal:
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19/ Not to spoil other countries, but comparing to other diasporas Indians in Canada are the most liberal, US and UK more moderate:
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20/ Most important issues:
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21/ In the late 2000s there were some highly publicized crimes against Indian students which caused an anti Australian backlash in India.
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22/ Indian protestors chanted and displayed the Indian flag.
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23/ Overall this caused a drop in the number of Indian students coming to Australia:
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24/ UK. Indians make up 2.9% of the population here:
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25/ Arrest rates for crimes are low:
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10/Here is the arrest rate by ethnicity: ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-…
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26/ The economic situation of Indians in the UK seems fairly similar to that of whites. There are more graphs in this thread but I won't rehash all of them. Indians have the most money in their bank accounts of any ethnicity in the UK.
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14/ Data from the 2010s shows whites with the lowest poverty and inactivity rate, and more wealth than any group other than Indians. web.archive.org/web/2017051707…
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27/ Contrary to the data from the US, Indians score lower than whites on IQ tests here:
Crémieux@cremieuxrecueil
How different groups score on IQ tests in the United Kingdom has been a subject of debate for many years.
A recent paper has put that debate to bed by providing us with some actual results from samples of adults.
Take a look:
A recent paper has put that debate to bed by providing us with some actual results from samples of adults.
Take a look:
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28/ Indians lean to the left, and prefer labor: carnegieendowment.org/research/2021/…
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29/ One difference between Indians in the US and UK is that most Indians in the UK have a negative view of Modi: democracyforindia.org/news-from-home…
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30/ Canada. Indians make up 5.1% of the population in Canada as per the the 2021 census so that is likely an underestimate.
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31/ Indian immigration to Canada has increased quite rapidly over the past few decades: forbes.com/sites/stuartan…
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32/ According to this, whites earn more than South Asians when looking at yearly income: reddit.com/r/dataisbeauti…
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33/ This graph tells a conflicting story. Both seem to be from government databases so I am not sure which is more accurate. ottawacitizen.com/news/canada/sy…
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34/ Regardless, South Asians perform well in school and and are highly educated.
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35/ One thing that is unique about Indians in Canada is they are plurality Sikh. Canada is by proportion the most Sikh country in the world: x.com/TruueDisciplin…
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36/ Unfortunately this has caused a number of problems. In 1985 during the unrest in India, Sikh extremists planted bombs on an Air India flight from Canada killing everyone on board. This was Canada's deadliest terrorist attack.
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37/ India was accused of killing a Sikh separatist on Canadian soil in 2023. Unsurprisingly this has caused relations between the countries to deteriorate. aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/1…
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38/ This conflict has caused Canadian view of India to plummet, though I am unclear what Indian Canadians specifically think. hindustantimes.com/world-news/60-…
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39/ There was also an incident when a Sikh defense minister went out of his way to rescue Sikhs that were not crucial to military interests during the fall of Afghanistan: archive.is/zwW08
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40/ In addition there is Sikh organized crime. They made up 20% of gang deaths between 2006 and 2014 in BC. However I doubt Indians as a whole are overrepresented in crime.
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41/ Sikhs are also overrepresented in politics: bbc.com/news/articles/…
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42/ As I mentioned earlier Indians in Canada lean heavily towards the left:
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43/ The last thing that I will mention is that there have been many claims that Indian Canadians are clannish, and that there examples of them only renting to Indians: cbc.ca/news/canada/wi…
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44/ South Africa. Indians make up 2.74% of the population. In SA Whites earn more than Indians: bbc.com/news/world-afr…
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45/ However, it seems that Indians had the lowest homicide victimization rate at least in 2003: researchgate.net/figure/Project…
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46/ In 1949 there were anti-Indian riots perpetrated by blacks which killed 142. Ironically this was the second deadliest massacre during Apartheid.
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47/ Indians were initially treated as Colored during Apartheid, until they were premaritally recognized in 1961. Unsurprisingly they participated in anti-apartheid activities.
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48/ Today they seem somewhat split between the ANC and DA. This poll looking at 5 specific areas has them favoring the DA, but not as much as whites. academic.oup.com/afraf/article/…
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49/ Lastly for South Africa there is this thread about the Gupta family:
Andro@TheAutumnalFire
The Gupta Family of South Africa: A Warning of What's to Come.
Many have rightly identified the injustices posed by the H1B scam to true Americans, but I want to detail a story out of South Africa regarding the true problems caused by importing materialistic, clannish peoples.
Many have rightly identified the injustices posed by the H1B scam to true Americans, but I want to detail a story out of South Africa regarding the true problems caused by importing materialistic, clannish peoples.
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50/ Next there is Uganda. Indians were expelled from Uganda in 1972. At the time they made up 1% of the population and controlled 90% of the businesses. bbc.com/news/world-afr…
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51/ After the death of Idi Amin, many returned and allegedly in 2016 they were responsible for 65% of tax revenues.
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Will finish this tomorrow
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Will definitely discuss Singapore, Malaysia, Fiji and Trinidad and Tobago. If there are other substantially Indian countries I should discuss lmk and I will consider.
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52/ Here is a thread I made about Indians in the USA a while ago since people were asking me to cover the US:
True Discipline@TruueDiscipline
1/ THREAD I started to notice some opinion polls on Indians I found interesting, I wanted to look into Indians, and the role that they are increasingly taking on in US.
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53/ Malaysia. Indians make up 6.6% of the population in Malaysia.
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54/ Malaysia has gotten less Chinese and Indian over time. reddit.com/r/malaysia/com…
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55/ Indians in Malaysia make more than the Bumiputera, but that advantage has decreased over time. Malaysia has a strong affirmative action regime for the majority.
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56/ The demographics of each income group in Malaysia. blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview…
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57/ Ethnicity remains a key factor in which parties Malaysians support: blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview…
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58/ Indians seem to be fairly overrepresented in organized crime in Malaysia. x.com/arctotherium42…
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59/ Singapore. Indians make up around 9% of Singapore.
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60/ Indians earn slightly more than Chinese in Singapore. ifonlysingaporeans.blogspot.com/2021/06/census…
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61/ It seems to be the case that minorities are overrepresented in prisons but the government doesn't release the data. channelnewsasia.com/singapore/rele…
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62/ I have written a lot about race relations in Singapore here, so I won't rehash everything. About 40% of Chinese in Singapore would not vote for an Indian prime minister.
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63/ Fiji. Indians at one point made up the majority of Fijians but that is dwindling away. narseyonfiji.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/fij…
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64/ In 1987 there was a coup by native Fijians after the Indian backed government got into power.
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65/ By the late 90s the government had loosened discriminatory laws against Indians, and in 2000 the first Indian president was elected. This led to another violent coup.
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66/ In addition to the political upheaval, Indian businesses were destroyed and Indian women were raped. auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/0…
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67/ In 2006 there was another coup after there was dispute over how to handle the first one.
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68/ The Indians in Fiji are heavily divided socially, economically and politically. prb.org/resources/more…
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69/ Trinidad and Tobago. I discussed this here so I won't rehash most of it.
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70/ It is worth repeating this line "Every debate no matter how small became a proxy battle for racial and cultural supremacy"
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71/ Interestingly in Trinidad blacks do about as well Indians economically x.com/Shiftant/statu…
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72/ Another interesting fact from Trinidad Africans believe they are treated worst by police:
S. Lant@Shiftant
In Trinidad, the police force is African-dominated, and the public sector in general is mostly African. Yet, Afro-Trinidadians still perceive the most racial discrimination from police.
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73/ Mauritius is around 67% Indian. It was discussed in this thread:
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74/ May discuss other countries like Guyana, Saudi Arabia etc later but I think I am done for now. The experiences of Indians outside of India are very diverse but there are some conclusions to be drawn:
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>Indians are a significant and increasing proportion of the Anglosphere.
>With possible exception of New Zealand, Indians in the west support the left.
>Indians are a significant and increasing proportion of the Anglosphere.
>With possible exception of New Zealand, Indians in the west support the left.
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76/ >Indians are successful in the west but they are not a model minority everywhere like Chinese or Ashkenazim. There are places around the world where they are relatively poor like Trinidad.
>Drama in the diaspora can caused strained relations with India as seen in CA and AU.
>Drama in the diaspora can caused strained relations with India as seen in CA and AU.
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77/ >There are areas where Indians are substantial in organized crime like Malaysia and Canada.
>Sikh extremist poses a terror threat where Sikhs are present similar to Islam.
>Sikh extremist poses a terror threat where Sikhs are present similar to Islam.
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78/ >When Indians make up a substantial percentage of the population like Fiji, Trinidad or Mauritius it produces a serious backlash.
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