J - do we have a transcript?
P the defence transcript doesn't have this part of it.
[okay we have sound]
P do you hear SB saying "you came up to me and took a photo of me"
GL he's lying
P he's lying?
GL yes - as soon as people on the panel started mentioning trans people
he started taking photos.
P so it's not possible
GL it might be
[there is a bit of back and forth about whether KH approached SB twice - the pronouns between P and GL are all over the place and GL gets confused as to who we are talking about - P says she will revert to Ms Brooks]
P so it's not possible
GL it might be
[there is a bit of back and forth about whether KH approached SB twice - the pronouns between P and GL are all over the place and GL gets confused as to who we are talking about - P says she will revert to Ms Brooks]
P when Ms Brooks says that "you took a photo of may" - that may have been true
GL sure, but that's not compared to walking around aggressively and threatening to send photos of them to their employers
P did that happen?
GL sure, but that's not compared to walking around aggressively and threatening to send photos of them to their employers
P did that happen?
P was she saying that?
GL no - but it's how he operates in the group I'm in I know he's contacted employers calling people paedophiles and bigots
P has she ever done that to you?
GL might have - through a sock account
GL no - but it's how he operates in the group I'm in I know he's contacted employers calling people paedophiles and bigots
P has she ever done that to you?
GL might have - through a sock account
[there's an epic pronoun-off happening in an argument about what SB is or isn't doing - P's argument is that SB was photographed first. GL says he was TOLD SB was photographing photo]
[sample:
P so was "SHE" doing so-and-so-and-so?
GL no, "HE" was doing so-and blah
P but "SHE" was not doing blah]
P so was "SHE" doing so-and-so-and-so?
GL no, "HE" was doing so-and blah
P but "SHE" was not doing blah]
P there are much more disruptive things SB could have done
GL of course - she didn't get naked or set the place on fire
P but you say it was harassment - taking photos.
GL yes
P what is harassment
GL in this case taking photos with the intention to doxx them or tell..
GL of course - she didn't get naked or set the place on fire
P but you say it was harassment - taking photos.
GL yes
P what is harassment
GL in this case taking photos with the intention to doxx them or tell..
... their employers.
P so basically H is whatever transactivists do that you don't like
GL no but this is their playbook - harassment and doxxing - where are those photos going? no one's ever seen them - you'd think he worked for Reuters the way he talks about it
P so basically H is whatever transactivists do that you don't like
GL no but this is their playbook - harassment and doxxing - where are those photos going? no one's ever seen them - you'd think he worked for Reuters the way he talks about it
P you've never seen them
GL no one has - he's using them as an implied threat.
[P turns to SB convo with MM]
P they were having a discussion about who was assaulted
GL MM was assaulted, the guy was convicted
P SB's assailant was convicted too - do you only believe people...
GL no one has - he's using them as an implied threat.
[P turns to SB convo with MM]
P they were having a discussion about who was assaulted
GL MM was assaulted, the guy was convicted
P SB's assailant was convicted too - do you only believe people...
... on the GC side when they say they've been assaulted.
GL MM is of good character. SB was being assisted by a disgraced ex policeman - so I trust the conviction of MM's assailant more.
GL MM is of good character. SB was being assisted by a disgraced ex policeman - so I trust the conviction of MM's assailant more.
[Long discussion about whether SB was at the QEII building at the time of the crickets attack - GL is convinced SB was there when it's I think been accepted by the court SB turned up at 1700 after the attack]
P you called SB disgusting, a groomer, an incel
P SB disgusts you
SB he bullies women - it is disgusting
P incel?
SB shut in people who don't have relationships
P SB disgusts you
SB he bullies women - it is disgusting
P incel?
SB shut in people who don't have relationships
P the expression sissy=porn watching
GL that was something I feel a little bit of regret about - because that was a guess. I think he does what he does is because he's a sadist.
P there are all manner of insults you could have used
GL yes
P but you chose siss=porn
GL that was something I feel a little bit of regret about - because that was a guess. I think he does what he does is because he's a sadist.
P there are all manner of insults you could have used
GL yes
P but you chose siss=porn
GL it's sissy-porn
P you must be more familiar with it than me
GL Oh I am - I really am
[P calls SB female. GL asks her if she thinks SB really is female - asks her how P thinks SB can be female. J intervenes to tell him this is not what we are here to discuss and P is there...
P you must be more familiar with it than me
GL Oh I am - I really am
[P calls SB female. GL asks her if she thinks SB really is female - asks her how P thinks SB can be female. J intervenes to tell him this is not what we are here to discuss and P is there...
... to ask questions. also admonishes the gallery for making noise]
GL the problem is we're talking in two different realities - she seems to believe that men are actually female - and she's trying to make me out as a bigot
J yes I know and it makes it quite hard to follow
GL the problem is we're talking in two different realities - she seems to believe that men are actually female - and she's trying to make me out as a bigot
J yes I know and it makes it quite hard to follow
... but we really are not here to discuss this. You're talking over each other. We need to calm it down and you must just answer your questions as best you are able.
P asks about the language GL used re trans people
GL says I don't know how many trans people you know - I have ...
P asks about the language GL used re trans people
GL says I don't know how many trans people you know - I have ...
... several trans friends and they hate this movement what these activists have done.
[we are running out of court time - it looks like we'll be sitting late but not too late - however they want to get GL finished so he is allowed to talk to his lawyers after giving evidence...
[we are running out of court time - it looks like we'll be sitting late but not too late - however they want to get GL finished so he is allowed to talk to his lawyers after giving evidence...
... and there is an issue in that the next witness Kate Harris is moving country tomorrow, so her availability is limited today (though of course video-links do exist in the outside world that was not raised yet)]
[The plan appears to be everyone have 5 mins to calm down...
[The plan appears to be everyone have 5 mins to calm down...
... then finish GL and try to get KH done. Then set a date for the remainder of the trial. Which I wouldn't bet won't run into two more days]
[Please note GL speaks v quickly and fluently and I have missed a lot - this style of court reporting really only gives a flavour of what is happening - NOTHING is a direct quote unless in direct quotes]
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