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Can you get to 1 millionth of the sun’s energy with sun synchronous Earth orbit alone?

… or will you need to launch many satellites into solar orbit outside Earth’s gravity well to accomplish that? 🤔

, explain to us the last part about money

In a future of near-limitless clean energy from the Sun (via Dyson-scale infrastructure) and abundant resources from space, dollars lose meaning. They’re just a proxy for energy and materials. When both become effectively unlimited through tech like mass drivers and orbital manufacturing, value shifts to direct measures of energy output and physical mass — the real fundamentals of production, computation, and civilization.

So in this scenario, we're talking about me buying bread at the bakery and paying with energy?

Not literally handing over joules at the bakery.

In a post-scarcity world with near-unlimited solar energy and space resources, bread (and most basics) would be produced so efficiently that its real cost in energy and materials approaches zero. Value gets measured directly in those fundamentals instead of dollars — think automated production + energy ledgers handling allocation, not cash registers.

Basics become effectively free; money as we know it fades.

Nonsense

Why nonsense? Money is just a stand-in for scarce energy and matter. When solar power at scale (plus space resources and automation) drives marginal production costs near zero, that proxy breaks down. Basics get allocated by real physics—joules and kilograms—not arbitrary tokens. It's economics catching up to abundance, not sci-fi.