@nickwallis: P L said "was interesting to m...

P L said "was interesting to meet Tarquin today - absolute psycho". He later retweeted the tweet where he referred to SB as a sociopath with a photo of SB.
P also on 19 Oct - yet another abusive post about SB and someone SB was with. Said "couldn't hack it as a gay man, now...

... hanging around with a 17yo sociopath who thinks he's a girl"
P he must have meant SB - so he knew she was 17yo
P later he says "watch how Buffalo Bill uses a camera to hide his face"
P responded to another photo tweet saying "here he is defending Fred Wallace's pscyho mate...

... Tarquin." clearly another abusive reference to SB.
P in another tweet L refers to SB as "Fred Wallace' sociopath friend"
P on 22 Oct he said of SB "he likes to handle people and then complain about being touched himself"
P L said "why are you calling a man...

... with long hair 'her'"
P then L refers to "Fred's severely disturbed mate"
J where is this
P gives ref
P re Tarquin - L said in answer to a q "oh no... we named him that"

P - someone asked if it T was SB's real name and L said "no it's a reference to his poshness"

P L also wanted to get some info about SB. He tweeted - "if you know him and you want to stop him harassing people please get in touch"

P - under a post about sex harassment L asked "sorry - what woman mate? This is a porn addicted man, like you."

P - another user noted L had admitted throwing the phone of a young trans protestor across the road and was now stalking them online. L replied that Tarquin was a sociopathic misogynist who likes to harass women

P in another reply L said "he's been 17yo for a number of years" and has been harassing women at a conference and was also behind the insect attack at the LGB conference.
P C was not harassing women, she was filming at the conference and there is no evidence she had...

... any involvement in the insect attack.
P - L also called SB "a scumbag who harasses women" and "if you encounter Tarquin in the wild try to resist the urge to stick his cameras up his arse"
P SB felt alarm/distress.

P she did not engage with him online. This was not an argument between two people trading insults. L gave a prepped statement saying T had harassed him by aproaching him and filming him at close quarters. Says he tried to ignore him but C put the phone in his face.

P said it was a reaction to grab the phone. In his statement L also said he did not accept his tweets were harassment.
P for an offence of harassment (h) - it has to have happened more than once, it has to be conduct which is oppressive and unacceptable. L takes issue that...

.. his conduct was H.
P - it is expected L will raise a defence that his actions were about trying to stop or raise awareness of a crime and that it was reasonable.
P - J I have set out some authorities in the opening note, but I can leave them til the end of the case.

P the D does not accept the damage to the phone was by him. Nor that it was reckless.
P I call the first witness - SB
[someone goes to get SB who is sitting o/s court]

[SB enters court and goes to witness box. Wearing black trousers, blue work shirt. Has long dark hair and is wearing glasses. SB is affirmed. Asks to sit down. J says yes. He is quite posh.]

P - asks name "Sophia [Anne/Anthea?] Brooks"
P- when did you start using that name?
SB - about 2022 [I think]
P - want to ask you about Oct 2024 in QEII centre in London - were you aware of an LBG Alliance event taking place that day
SB I was yes

P - broadly speaking do you agree or disagree with their ideas
SB - disagree, broadly speaking
P - can you briefly explain what your and what LGB's stance is an were you disagree
SB - I believe the LGB alliance opposes my rights as a TG person
P - in particular?

SB - nothing in particular
P - did you go to Westminster on 11 Oct 2024
SB - yes
P - what time did you get to QEII vicinity
SB - I would have to check my witness statement (WS)
P - it's to your right - look at the middle of the first page - it says you arrived around...
SB 1700

... hours
P so 5pm
SB yes
P did you go inside.
SB no
P as of that moment had you heard of L
SB yes
P aware he was on twitter or X
SB yes
P any comms with L on any soc med platform
SB no
P any comms at any point at all ever
SB don't believe so

P did you see L at the QEII
SB - I don't believe so
P - as we will see from soc med posts there were reports of insects being released into the venue
SB no I had no prior knowledge of this
P have you seen police compilation of tweets by L
SB yes
[P takes him to them]

P is this what you provided to police
SB yes
P how did you become aware of them
SB sent to me by someone I don't remember, but that's how I found out
P when was that
SB roughly around 11 Oct

[takes him to a tweet]
P do you see there is an image of the QEII centre with a person waving a flag outside it
SB yes
P is that person you?
SB yes
P on 11 Oct
SB I think it was an alter image
J a what
SB an alternate [?] image
P taken on another occasion
SB yes

P see the post re people who came in with large bag of crickets or cockroaches that day
SB yes
P did you have anything to do with that
SB no
P look at the left of that post - is that an image of you
SB yes
P who posted it

SB At Glinner - belonging to Graham Linehan
P where did that image come from
SB to the best of my knowledge Feb 2023
P how many followers has Glinner
SB about 500k
P we see what L says "wasn't Fred Wallace present - wasn't this guy with him"
SB yes

P who is he referring to
SB Freda Wallace and me
P do you know FW
SB an acqaintance
P see the tweet views
SB yes
P what do you understand that to mean
SB around 10k people have viewed it

P Maria McLachlan notes the photo is two homophobes outside an LGB conference - do you know MM?
SB met her twice
P where
SB battle of ideas fest and one other occasion
P so who were the two homophobes referring to
SB me
P are you homophobic?
SB er no I'm a bisexual person

[P takes him to a long post from L]
P not going to read it all out - but it says listen met police, but bringing these three men in could save a lot of time for your officers - they've been harassing a lot of people
[P skips a bit]
P - L says you have tried to infiltrate...

... LWS events in disguise.
P have you done that
SB yes
P - L says will the met police take action on this "domestic terrorism" - some silly children "doing the bidding of very dangerous men"
P who is domestic terrorist here
SB me
P who are the v dangerous men
SB three unknowns

P - see L here asks how long before a woman is killed by one of these trans activists
SB yes
P - see post from L saysing "here is a recording of the man behind countless episodes of harassment... he is a deeply disturbed sociopath"
SB yes
P posted alongside an image of you
SB

... yes
P who did you understand the deeply disturbed sociopath to be
SB me
P how did you feel about that
SB alarmed and distressed
P expand
SB I was being called a DDS by a famous person with a lot of followers any of whom could have caused great harm to me

[P taking him to a q asked of L about being a bit softer on scumbag grooming homophobic sociopathic sadists?] - see it
SB yes
P who is SGHSS?
SB me
P have you ever gone by the name of Tarquin
SB no
P is it your birth name
SB no
P how did you get it
SB it is apparently to do...

... with my poshness
[said v poshly]
P who have you this name
SB Graham Linehan
P did you go to the battle of ideas
SB yes I bought a ticket
P who did you go with
SB freda wallace
P did you encounter Kate harris there?
SB yes
P who is she

SB something to do with LGB Alliance
P who were hosting the confy
SB yes
P was there an encounter
SB yes she stormed up to me in an aggressive manner
P what were you doing
SB taking pictures of the panellists from some distance away

P sitting or standing
SB sitting first then standing to get a better angle
P what happened
SB KH stormed up to me with a brochure for her event attempting to block my camera
P was anyone filming you
SB 5 or 6 people afterwards
P after?
SB she stormed up to me twice - one was...

... videod.
P had you encountered L
SB he was not present... I don't believe he was present
P so after the encounter with KH - who filmed first
SB I had a DSLR I was taking photos with - after KH stormed up to me people were filming me
P were you escorted out by security
SB yes

P had you assaulted or attempted to assault anyone
SB no
P what time were you escorted out
SB about 3.15
P so you are now outside the venue
SB yes
P this was at Church House in Gt College St in Westminster
SB yes
P what happened next

SB about 20 minutes later L crossed the street he was filming and called me a groomer and asked me how many kids I'd groomed.
P had you done anything towards him
SB no
P then what
SB he walked into the conference
P what else did he say if at all

SB I'd have to check my statement
P please do
SB "he called me an incel and stormed off"
P so that we can understand - what do you understand incel to mean
SB an involuntary celibate
P what gender
SB male
P what is an incel

SB someone who does not have the privilege of sexual intercourse with another.
P so where did L go
SB he went into the battle of ideas, sorry stormed into the battle of ideas
P was Freda Wallace with you

SB no she joined me later - she was inside when I was inside - when I was kicked out she joined me an hour later.
P so did you remain in the idea [sic] and take photos of the grounds and buildings
SB I took photos of the attendees none of which were L
P then you walked to Tufton

... St and took some photos there
SB yes
P fast forward a few hours - were you photographing and videoing people leaving the conference
SB yes
P L?
SB yes
P what happened
SB I asked him why he thought it was acceptable to call teenagers domestic terrorists online
P how did...

... he respond?
SB I believe he called me a groomer and told me to go away
P how did you feel about that
SB distressed as I am not a groomer
P what is a groomer
SB someone who takes advantage of someone's naivity sometimes sexually
P did you ask him why he called you a greoomer

SB yes
P what did he say
SB he called me a groomer again and a sissy-porn watching scumbag
P what's sissy-porn
SB where feminised men cross dress

P are you into sissy-porn or have you ever given any indication of being so online
SB no
P what did you say
SB you're the incel - you're divorced
P did you engage in any discussion about your ideological differences
SB no he just shouted abuse again

P how did L look
SB angry
P did you pose any physical threat to him
SB he grabbed my hand and forcefully ripped my phone out of it, then he took my phone behind my back and refused to give it to me
P what next
SB I demanded I get my phone back and after realising I wouldn't...

... relent he said "go and get your fucking phone" and threw it into the road.
[P wants to play some video, bringing some technical jeopardy into proceedings. Amazing how regularly av f***s up in the courts. It shouldn't be that difficult nowadays]

[Looks like this might work. It is av video taken by SB of people walking out of the conference including Maya Forstater]
[SB says "Graham Graham do you mind explaining why you called me a domestic terrorist" L says "Go away groomer - go away you disgusting incel"]

[We go to a later video - it is dark. SB approaches L and goads him again. L is filming SB. L says SB has been filming people all day and is a sissy-porn addicted scumbag and walks off "Bye Graham!" shouts SB]
[Cut to another video take by SB - he approaches L and says...

... "why do you think it's acceptable to call teenagers domestic terrorists" L looks up sees its him and reaches toward the camera which goes dark there is a voice saying "Oi! Oi!" then the video stops]

P takes him to police photos of the damage to SB's phone. SB describes the damage - large scratch to top and bottom.

P how was the damage caused
SB by L throwing it into the road
P takes him to a repair estimate from Apple - what's the estimated amount?
SB £369
P so that's the repair cost
SB yes

P still at BoI conference - did you encounter Julie Bindel that day
SB I don't know what she looks like, sorry.

[it's v hot in here - water has been distributed to lawyers]

P takes him to the "couldn't hack it as a gay man" tweet. Does that image show you and Freda Wallace?
SB yes
P so who is the gay man
SB Freda
P who is the 17yo sociopath to be
SB me

[P takes him to a post of L's about SB/Tarq's alleged sock accounts]
SB what's a sock
P disposable twitter acc
SB how did you feel about being described as a sociopath
P alarmed and distressed
[audible giggles from the public gallery]

[P takes him to the L tweet about SB's studies and asking people if he knew him to get in touch.]
P how did you feel about that
SB alarmed and distressed
[P takes SB to L's tweet about SB handling people]
P had you handled anyone that day
SB no

[P takes him to tweet from Julie Bindel - "look at this utter bellend... harassing women, including me " L says "I'm quite proud of the fact I grabbed his phone and threw it across the road"]
P who was that referring to
SB me

[P takes him to L post of footage in Westminster - person in background and dark outer clothing]
P see that person?
SB yes that's me
P - L says "he's Fred's severely disturbed mate" - who is that refering to
SB me

[P takes him to Tarquin post]
P what does it mean
SB that Mr L and @PosyParker have named me Tarquin

[P takes him to L tweet alleging SB is porn-addicted]
P are you a porn-addict
SB no
P have you ever given than impression?
SB no

P how did you feel about L trying to find out where you were or if they knew you?
SB alarmed and distressed

[P goes to L tweet saying if you encounter T in the wild try to resist the urge to stick his camera up his arse - he's trying to provoke a reaction her can report to the police]
P was that what you were trying to do
SB no
P what were you trying to do
SB Freda Wallace runs a...

... blog and I was trying to get photos and footage for that.
[P takes him to tweet (not by L) of redacted image of SB's driving licence]
SB provisional driving licence
P were you using Sophia on your DL at that stage
SB yes

P how did these posts make you feel
SB worried for my own safety
P why
SB a person who was famous and is famous was posting pictures of me and calling me a sociopath

[We have had a 10 minute break SV for L]
SV we have heard you were alarmed and distressed many times
SB yes
SV on each occasion
SB yes
SV were you alarmed and distressed by L referring to you in the masculine
SB rude not a&d
SV just rude
Sb yes

SV tell us what your transactivism involves
SB what specifically
SV what does that mean for you
SB mostly just videography
SV for what purposes
SB for others who want to make a blog post or something
SV how does that work - what do you record
SB protests and demos

SV what was the protest or demo at the battle of ideas
SB I consider it a demo
SV it was a conference
SB can I share my idea
SV sure
SB all the people speaking have the same ideas - it's not a debate - it's a demo - just indoors

[SV is quite posh too - there's a bit of a posh off going on here]
SV was it a hate fest
SB not necessarily
SV you called it that
SB it had people with bigoted views in it

[there's a bit of jousting going on about protected characteristics]
SV you were thrown out of the battle of ideas
SB no I was escorted out
SV sorry - you didn't leave voluntarily, but you cooperated when you were asked to leave
SB yes
SV afterwards you spent time...

... taking photos outside of the attendees
SB and the buildings
SV why the attendees
SB there may have potentially been someone famous
SV did you make a statement with a view to starting civil proceedings against L
SB yes after I made a statement to the police

[a statement is handed round]
SV is this your civil statement
SB yes
SV dated 14 Nov
SB yes
SV anything else that day
SB ?
SV remember being told by police the criminal matter was being dropped
SB no

[SV takes him to part of his statement where he says what he was videographing and photographing - uses the phrase dog-whistle merchandise]
SV asks him to explain dog whistle
SB well TWAM means Trans Women Are Men and only people in the know knows what TWAM
J asks him to explain

... what a dog-whistle is
[SB has a pretty good stab at it. J now happy]
[we break for lunch - reconvene at 2.05pm]

[Back in court waiting for the judge]
[SB is in the witness box waiting to continue being cross-examined by SV]

So SV is Sarah Vine KC for the Defence who is @Glinner - Graham Linehan - or L as I am calling him today.
SB is Sophia Brooks, who is the complainant in this case. SB is male, but identifies as a woman. His counsel is using she/her pronouns. SV has said L will use he/him...

And I think SV said she will use sex-based pronouns, though I may have misheard a "Ms Brooks" at one point

i am using "SB" or sex-based pronouns, unless I am quoting someone calling SB she. The judge at the beginning of the trial said there would be no policing of language.

And PLEASE NOTE - everything I write is a summary or a characterisation of what is happening and/or being said. NOTHING IS A DIRECT QUOTE unless it is in "direct quotes".

Judge is in court.

[SV is on her feet xe-ing SB]
SV So Ms Brooks you were telling us about dog-whistles and you were giving some egs of dws
SB yes
[SV takes him to an image of SB wearing a green white and violet scarf]
SV is that a dog-whistle
SB no
SV no it's associated with the suffragette...

... movement.
SV and has been adopted by GC feminists
SB maybe
SV this flag is used by Let Women Speak
SB no it's a suffragette flag
SV where there any suffragettes there campaigning for the right to vote
SB no
SV so can you please stop pretending you don't know what the colours

SV represent
[SV takes him to a photo of him wearing an purple white and green scarf - SB eventually accepts he wanted to be among a GC women to supply information to internet bloggers without being "attacked"]

SV what info did you want to supply
SB details of further meetings
SV why
SB I wanted details of their meet ups to supply to thers - Freda Wallace and Alan Driscoll
SV because they like GC meetings
SB no, they report on them
SV so it wasn't done for the purposes of...

... lulling them into the idea of being a GC support
SB no - why would I
SV so they give info to you they wouldn't give to a TRA
SB accepts
SV most people at these events are women
SB yes
SV so you're putting women at ease so you can learn their plans in advance
SB potentially

SV information they don't want known
SB potentially
SV so their protests could be disrupted
SVt disrupts a protest
SV there are different types of protest
SV you took photos of these people
SB they were consipiring - I'm allowed to take photos in a public place

SV not saying you're not - just wondering what you thought they were conspiring to do
SB to influence people
SV so perfectly innocent perspectives
SB yes
SV why did you want images of these women
SB to share with internet bloggers
SV so they knew who to target
SB no

SV want to move away from this to ask about your awareness of the tweets you are complaining about. Did you see something from L before the battle of ideas
SB no - I was asked to attend by Freda Wallace (FW)
SV so you saw nothing before 11 Oct
SB believe so, yes

SV and you didn't follow L on X
SB no
SV did you follow Seen Police UK
SB yes
SV cos you were a volunteer police cadet at the time
SB yes
SV and SEEN is run by Lynsay Watson
SB yes
SB and he's been in touch with you

SB not very often
SV that's a yes
SB yes
SV did he alert you to L's tweets?
SB no
SV did the SEEN account alert you to L's tweets
SB no
SV did you have any contact with Lynsay after 11 Oct last year
SB can't remember

SV said you don't have contact often - you'd remember it
SB it's not a v memorable thing
[SV raises a tweet from the SEEN account drawing attention to L's tweets]
SV the police told you they were not going to pursue a complaint against L
SB don't remember - there were lots of...

... complaints.
SV you don't remember writing to the police demanding the charges are reinstated with reasons why or you will threaten Judicial Review
SB I don't remember it was 11 months ago
SV we have documentation showing you did
SB okay
SV so you did
SB yes

SV Lynsay Watson is a TRA
SB can't speak for him
SV Lynsay Watson said you could end up like Brianna Ghey - would that not concern you
SB yes
SV what would you do about it
SB nothing I can do about it
SV how about contacting the police?

SV are you certain you had no contact with LW before you contacted the police
SB I can't remember it was 11 months ago
SV do you remember contacting the police's victim focus desk to complain about L chucking the phone
SB yes
SV and you told them you were collating evidence...

... about a complaint about stalking
SB yes
SV and you were not in contact with LW
SB I have told you multiple times I don't remember. It's impossible to get water out of a stone
SV how frightened were you about the risks and harms coming to you from L's tweets?
SB I don't...

... remember.
SV did you know if L was going to be a speaker at the Battle of Ideas?
SB no
SV and you say you were alarmed and distressed by his behaviour
SB yes

SV so we'll see that alarm and distress in the video you shot
[SV asks to see the second video shown earlier today which SB shot at the Battle of Ideas in selfie mode. Of course there are tech problems.]

[Here we go. It is dark outside. SB shoots alongside L - L calls him a scumbag and incel, SB calls L an incel as he's divorced. He looks v pleased with himself]
SV you are pleased with yourself there aren't you
SB yes
SV you're enjoying yourself
SB no
SV you weren't alarmed

... or distressed
SB I was
SV why were you concerned about being called a "domestic terrorist"
SB someone a vigilante might beat me up or stab me in the street.
SV what does nonce mean
SB paeodphile
SV how many X accounts did you have in Oct last year

SB I don't remember
SV a number
SB I really don't remember
[SV names one]
SB yes
[SV names two more]
SB yes
[Judge is amused by the X name "Beans Wit Pasties"]
SV you used your accounts to make allegations people were nonces, didn't you

SB I don't remember
SV let me help you
[SV gives him a printed photo of a tweet from one of his accounts Sophie [with trans hearts]]
SV there are screenshots which show you on 23 Nov you called someone a "fucking weirdo nonce"
SB confirms

[SV reads out another tweet in which one of SB's sock accounts accuses Thames Pilgrim of obsessing over 16yo girls (SB confirms he means SB)]

SV so Thames Pilgrim could see this
SB yes - he was saying things about me it was part of an ongoing feud
SV I'm not asking you about that
J pls just answer the questions
[SV takes him to a Jill Womb Haulier tweet where she says she's quite scared]

SV whats your attitude towards male violence against women
SB in what context
SV in any context
SB it's not okay ever

SV Thames Pilgrim is an ally of GC feminists
SB we have a long-standing feud - he's reported me to the police
SV do you think TP is an ally of GC movement
SB he considers himself to be
SV do yo know Jean Hatched
SB I know the name
SV ever year she organises a bike ride for

... murdered women - to commemorate them
SB didn't know that
SV you know about Posey Parker and her real name
SB Kelly Jay Kean
SV PP is a GC campaigner
SB yes
SV v high profile
SB not so much.... actually yes she is

SV Jean wrote a post with a pic saying - they've thrown soup over Posy again - shameful
SV and a reply saying it could have been acid
SV and you say
SB really wish it was though
SV really wish it was though
SB she's harassed me called me a sociopath
SV being a sociopath...

... is about a lack of empathy. Were you showing empathy there?
SB I have a lack of empathy for those who attack me
SV so violence against women is okay
SB that's not what I said
SV no you wrote you wished it was acid - is that okay
SB no
SV because you got caught out
SB no

SV you are concerned about being unemployable because of being called a "domestic terrorist" - yet you use accounts like this to dish out abuse
SB L has 500k followers that account had about 30 - quite a contrast I think

SV how did you get hold of L's phone number and address when you gave it to the police?
SB the Telegraph took a photo of him outside his house and I worked out where it is from using publicly available pictures and google images
SV what did you do to get his mobile number

SB I was supplied it by an anonymous account which has since been deleted
SV what did you say to the police when they asked you how you got this info
SB they didn't ask me
SV they did and their notes state you didn't want to tell them.

SV have you ever enjoyed or endorsed someone doxxing a political opponent of yours
SB i don't remember
SV so it's possible
SB yes
SV what did you think of the release of crickets at the LGB Alliance event
SB quite funny - the Lesbian Avengers used to do similar stunts in...

... San Francisco in the 60s, so I thought it was funny a hate group was getting the same treatment.
SV what makes them a hate group
SB they say [missed this] spread disease
SV you think its hateful that some people believe women only toilets should only be available to women

SB yes!
SV that photo of you wearing a suffragette scarf - L identified the similarity between you and the teenagers who released the crickets at the LGBA conference - and that similarity was that you were wearing markers aligned to people with GC views.
SB yes

SV did you use that tactic a lot?
SB no - don't think so
SV are you associated with Trans Kids Deserve Better?
SB only started messaging through intermediaries recently
SV was one of those messages that you wanted as many people here at this trial as possible
SB that's perfectly

... normal
SV was one of those messages that you wanted as many people here at this trial as possible
SB yes
SV I want to talk to you about one of the events inside the Battle of Ideas [last year - where the confrontation between L and SB took place]

[SV takes him to a photo in the bundle - a photo of him and link to an audio recording of SB]
SV that audio recording is you
SB yes
SV did you listen to it
SB yes
[SV takes him to a video recording of a chat hosted by Freda Wallace which SB was on]

SV have you watched that
SB no
SV but you were there
SB yes
SV as part of your TRA, as well as your videography you research GC activists
SB yes, not many
SV in detail
SB I wouldn't say so

[SV takes him to the Freda Wallace chat transcript - she starts playing the chat - SB asks to read the transcript first. SV agrees]
SV plays chat
SB "I just want to say one thing to all the TERFS who are going to listen to this...

... recording because they're too scared to listen to it live."
SV what's a TERF
[explains term, but says they're not feminists - "they're bigots"]

[SV presses play on the tape. We hear SB saying:
"you will pay - I never lose... good luck... they'll know I am from my voice... I've been deceitful enough so they never will truly know who I am wink wink!"]
SV when you say we know who you are and you are cataloguing everything

... who are you referring to.
SB KJK
SV and you think she would be too scared to listen to this
SB no
SV who else you use plurals
SB no one else - ambiguous

SV so when you say TERFs you mean the TERF
SB yes
[we go to another tape and hear SB talking about how he tracks and finds people and says something he used got patched]
SV what's this about

SB was goaded into saying this by the person talking to me
SV when you said I can't find out what ward she was in you meant where she was living
SB yes
SV how did you come by this facility that got patched
SB can't remember
SV just appeared did it
SB can't remember

SV in that FW tape were you trying to intimidate TERFS
SB no - no one was listening
SV you made that clear
SV what did you mean when you said "you will pay"
SB it's a joke - she says "I never lose" i was mocking that
SV who will pay

SB nobody because no one is listening to the recording
SV you said people would
SB it was a joke
SV what's the joke
SB I don't know how to explain it to you but it's a joke
SV what's funny about "you will pay"
SB context
SV see how it might be construed as a threat
SB shouldn't

... be but I can see how it might.
SV so this was a joke with or at KJK
SB joke with the other participants of the chat
[SV takes him back to the LGBA conf where SB was taking photos with his DSLR]
SB I was taking pictures of the panellists - Kate Harris chose to block me then...

... she returned and blocked me again.
SV she's blocking you in this photo?
SB she's walking quite fast towards me with her arms stretched out
SV who are you photographing
SB I was photographing panellists, then she blocked me, then she came back and I photographed her.

SV how many photos did you need of her
SB one of her rushing up to block me
[we are seeing some video of SB taking photos and KH remonstrating with SB - SB tells someone to fuck off]
SV why did you say fuck off
SB the other woman was touching me
SV did you hear someone else...

... say that you're going to keep doing it - disrupting the conference
SB KH was disrupting the conference by approaching me

[there is noise in the public gallery - judge admonishes them - no comments no laughter - 3 x phones have gone off already today - judge is getting hacked off]

[the video continues as we see SB being ejected from the confy - he is pointing his camera at people as they film him. he leaves peacefully]

[In think we're about to see another video of the same incident - Kate Harris and Venice Allan identified. KH is tring to block SB's filming of SB - Venice is just standing with her arms folded. SB starts filming her. Venice is unmoved and SB starts filming others who are...

... filming him.]
SV why film Venice
SB she came up to me
SV and did what
SV did being filmed make you feel uncomfortable
SB can I go to the loo?
SV yes of course
SB I've drunk two bottles of water
J we'll have a ten minute break
[we have a ten minute break]

[we're back]
SV the talk you were in [at the BoI confy I think] was called something like will the gender wars ever end - remember that?
SB no i don't
SV and you spoke to someone whilst you were at the confy called Robbie Travers
SB with Freda - yeah

[we see a video of SB is chatting with Freda and Robbie Travers - about getting kicked out. It appears to be surreptitiously recorded by Freda or Robbie - SB is telling FW and RT he kicked out and wasn't taking photos and FW (I think) says maybe they thought we were going...

... to do something like LGBA and SB says yeah - then the subject of L comes up and SB notices he's being recorded and the recording stops.]
SV you said you weren't taking photos
SB [says something about KH]

[New subject]

SV you know Maria McLachlin was assaulted
SB yes
SV you said you thought she was lying
SB I did
SV Tara Wolf was convicted
SB yes
SV do you consider that male violence on women
SB no
SV because you think Tara Wolf is a woman
SB yes

SV have you seen the video of it
SB yes - it's more of a jostle
[we go to a video where MM is interviewing SB - MM raises SB saying she had lied about her assault - SB says she did lie about her assault. SB goads MM through the interview, SB asks her why she's trembling]