@lymanstoneky: Since apparently we're doing t...
@lymanstoneky
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Aug 16, 2024
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Basically, we have enough data now across enough cohorts that we can answer questions like, "Did the declining early-in-life births actually get made up through rising later-in-life births?"
For recent cohorts the emerging answer is largely "no."
For recent cohorts the emerging answer is largely "no."
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There is some late-in-life increase, but not nearly enough to compensate for the early-in-life declines.
Thus, it is a factual error (and when demographers do it, a knowingly false statement) to say that what we are observing is "just" or "only" or "primarily" "delay."
Thus, it is a factual error (and when demographers do it, a knowingly false statement) to say that what we are observing is "just" or "only" or "primarily" "delay."
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It is true that at the psychological level most people in these cohorts believe themselves to be engaged in delaying-behavior, a change in the tempo of births rather than the total target number or quantum, but at the population level the tempo effect becomes a quantum effect.
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Because these "delays" tend not to be made up, this should influence our selection of fertility indicators for assessing the situation in real-time.
Completed fertility can't be measured in real-time for currently-reproducing cohorts, because by definition it's not complete yet!
Completed fertility can't be measured in real-time for currently-reproducing cohorts, because by definition it's not complete yet!
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If you think birth rates are falling merely because of delays which will eventually be made up, then the TFR is a very bad indicator, since delayed births would show up as falling young-ASFRs but not as rising older-ASFRs until much later on.
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If you think that tempo-adjustments will be made up for, then you want an adjusted measure.
The most sophisticated such measure is called the Bongaarts-Sobotka method for a tempo- and parity-adjusted total fertility rate, or TFRp*.
The most sophisticated such measure is called the Bongaarts-Sobotka method for a tempo- and parity-adjusted total fertility rate, or TFRp*.
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The details are boring but this method scrupulously accounts for the age-specific rates at which women are progressing from 0 to 1, then 1 to 2, then 2 to 3, etc births, and accounts for ongoing shifts in birth spacing and initiation of birth.
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The empirical fact that TFR is a better predictor of CFR than TFRp* should give us pause about even bothering to think about "tempo" or "delay." TFRp*, which accounts for delay, does a worse job of predicting cohort behavior than TFR!
That implies that people don't tempo-adjust!
That implies that people don't tempo-adjust!
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And of course this is obvious. Demographers have long recognized that fertility decisions are iterative: you don't decide a number of kids to have, you decide to have one more, or not. Moreover, as you age, you increasingly lose control of the ability to make that choice.
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As a result, the entire conceptualization of fertility as "people have a fixed goal and they shift around the timing of when they have the kids" was dubious from the get go. That isn't how fertility works!
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Rather, people do have fertility goals (some people rather firmly so, others very loosely), but those goals are conditional on other goals (like having a partner, or not having a massive decline in relative status, or the child being reared at a certain material standard).
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Once people have achieved prior conditions, they initiate intentional fertility. At that point they usually make an effort to hit their goals as quickly as possible: people who start early do not actually tend to space out births a ton!
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Yes some people space a bit, but birth spacing is surprisingly regular and tight in modern societies. People appear to conceptualize their life in "stages" and "diaper stage" is one of those stages they apparently prefer to be in just one time.
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By the way, it's not just me who says these complex tempo adjustments are suboptimal!
A recent PNAS review did statistical horseraces on dozens of methods and found that very few did any better than simple "straightline ASFRs" i.e. the TFR. pnas.org/doi/full/10.10…
A recent PNAS review did statistical horseraces on dozens of methods and found that very few did any better than simple "straightline ASFRs" i.e. the TFR. pnas.org/doi/full/10.10…
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So if you want to understand fertility, the best indicator, despite the protestations of quantitative demographers who have invented some very fancy equations, really is just the TFR.
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For birth rates to even stabilize, we'd need to see a dramatic increase in birth rates for older moms.
For that to happen, we'd need to see a dramatic increase in e.g. marriage rates and homeownership rates, key conditions many people aim for before kids.
We aren't seeing that.
For that to happen, we'd need to see a dramatic increase in e.g. marriage rates and homeownership rates, key conditions many people aim for before kids.
We aren't seeing that.
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Thus, you should assume that the TFR is the most straightforwardly correct indicator, and that the TFR is likely to continue going down.
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