@0xdoug: 1/ Short thread on what we're ...
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Jun 06, 2025
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1/ Short thread on what we're likely to see *if* James Wynn's monster $1bn position is liquidated.
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2/ Caveat. I'm going off public docs, there's always the possibility that there's functionality for these extreme scenarios that aren't in the docs, or like the JellyJelly scenario, the validators hard fork to add new functionality to handle an extreme scenario.
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9/ Let's assume for now HLP auto-rotates more capital into the liquidator vault and absorbs the whole position. (If not the system would auto fail over into ADL, more on that below).
With $335mn of margin this would be a very large and volatile 2X long BTC position.
With $335mn of margin this would be a very large and volatile 2X long BTC position.
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10/ However from a margin/liquidation perspective HLP would still be pretty safe at least in the short term. With $335m of margin, its own liquidation price would be somewhere around $70k.
We can assume that it will start aggressively trying to exit risk well before.
We can assume that it will start aggressively trying to exit risk well before.
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11/ Some people are worried about a liquidation cascade , which blows through the entire HL book and temporarily causes the price to wick down to this level or lower
However even if that happens, it alone won't trigger liquidations because of HL's robust price indices
However even if that happens, it alone won't trigger liquidations because of HL's robust price indices
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13/ If we assume no flash crash contagion to #3 Binance, OKX, Bybit, etc. (which seems like fair assumption, given the liquidation cascade is specific to HL), then the robust price indicator is using #1, the oracle price + EMA of the basis.
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14/ This EMA will eventually adjust and trigger liquidations, but the point is it's slow to adjust. Not only would we have to see a liquidation cascade, but we'd have to see the book stay depressed for minutes on end with no arbitrageurs stepping into buy. Probably unlikely
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15/ However even if the vault isn't liquidated, as it exits the position it will put continuous pressure on the order book for a while. Therefore we're likely to see the HL price of BTC trade at a persistent discount to Binance et al. for a good while.
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17/ One tailwind for the long position in the HLP vault (and any other longs) is they'll be continuously earning large amounts of funding. The flip side is shorts will be bleeding funding at high rates, which increase their pressure to sell.
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18/ That in turn increases bid liquidity, which accelerates the rate that the vault can exit its position. Both things are good because it can exit faster, reducing risk and will have positive PnL tailwinds.
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19/ That being said, there's still a very large naked long on a volatile asset, so even with these tailwinds, there's meaningful risk of significant drawdown.
The other factor to consider is whether this leads to contagion outside HL, which causes sells at other exchanges.
The other factor to consider is whether this leads to contagion outside HL, which causes sells at other exchanges.










